Persia: Peace, Quick War, or Total Conquest?

[Donegeal]

Looking at the map, I have come to the conclusion that if we want to take the lux's and Pyramids, we will have to fight until the only city they have left is Taurus. When you sue for peace, an AI will never giv up its Capitol and one other city. So the only way to get all that we want from Persia will be to take all but the last city. Hmmmm... just something to think about.

[adaMada]

Let me pose this question, just to further test the waters of public opinion .

If we said that we could either do war with Persia now, or instead do a very steady and successful colonization of Uber Isle, what would people think then?

Uber Isle may well still be free for the taking twenty or thirty turns from now, but if it's not we will have lost a major opportunity. On the other hand, if we don't take Persia right now then there's a good chance we never will without a much larger fight.

Of course, we could try to find some middle line, but I think it'd wind up damaging one of the ventures. If we build Uber isle based on the one city we have there, we won't be vary far for a very long time; if we build a little bit for Uber Isle and also try to attack Persia then we'll probably be hurt more than we'll be helped.

Even if you disagree with this assessment (which does need some refining), please post what you would do if this were true so we know which is more important. Also, if anyone has any opinions on which land is more valuable -- the land on Uber Isle or Persia's land, please post, since that would help me make my own personal decision.

-- adaMada

[Aggie]

After some brief calculations, I have decided that we would need about 6sword and 4horse for a war of conquest(beyond antioch). Can these extra forces be created. These like I said are rough estimates.
Aggie

[Apocalypse]

I just want Theology from them.

[adaMada]

Only six swordmen and four horsemen to take the entire Persian Empire? How many more units to protect the cities we take? Or would we take them one by one, over many turns.

I'm very interested in your estimate, Aggie. If I thought we could do it with so few units, then I'd be inclined to build more than that and go for it. I just don't see it happening with only one or two stacks...

-- adaMada

[adaMada]

Originally posted by Apocalypse
I just want Theology from them.

If they've got Theology, then either option three or option four would probably get it for us...

-- adaMada

[GodKing]

As I think my post started all of this.... Leave them taurus.

With taurus, we make peace, get all their tech, we now also have 2 more luxuries, a ready made infrastructure, and the pyramids.

Production wise, the west & north will focus on growth & culture, the homeland will focus on war and infrastructure, the east will focus entirely on the war, and uber isle (south) will just act like it is starting a new game with only itself as the player, and with a big brother to pump in some tech and funds to spead things up (ie - purchase a grainery first thing).

So ya, lets do it.

Knights need iron, and after their 3rd city falls, they are S.O.L in that regard. Longbow has an attack of 4, but a wimpy defence of only 1 so when we see them, just send in our horsie to kill it before it can do anything serious to us.

OK. nough rambling. And to think, I usually play as a builder......

[Apocalypse]

I bet we could get it from option B, but we wouldn't get much else.

[caesarqbear]

We cannot overextend in Persia. Germany and Greece are the bigger threats to us. How long into our Persian Pillaging do think before one of the big G's sneak-attack us and catch most of our units in the far east?
Growth, Defense, and Uber Island are what are most important. Your eyes are all greedy with warfare, but your forgeting excatly how lucky we were that Germany turned and ran. Don't be a fool and think they won't be back, possibly with gunpowder!

[GodKing]

gunpowder - ya in real life. unfortunately in civ all that gives is a musketear. nice on defence. sucks on offence. No, I see germany as a threat in the future, but not until the later part of this age or the beginning of the industrial age. By then persia will be done, and our infrastructure will be in full swing except on uber island as they will still be expanding (and hopefully keeping the russians off our beaches there).

[rush]

Let's keep the Persian War short & sweet.

1. If Madame Joan can bribe Germany & Persia to go to war against us, surely Persia can ask Germany or others to do the same ? German swordmen are pulling out of Napoleton. We wouldn't want them to come back so soon.

2. We know what Uber Island has to offer. Let's go on Rex mode there before somebody grabs it.

[Torkkeli]

Lets take at least Tyre and Sidon and see what they offer. If they offer us nothing of intrest then take the Pyramids, as it would help us to grow.

But dont focus too much on the war, remember to build infrastructure and improvements AND colonize UberIsland.

[DAVOUT]

IMHO, right now, we must resist the temptation to overextend ourselves.

I vote Tyre and Sidon only.

[Donegeal]

Use Lyton reserves to rush buy on Uber Island. Don't worry about infrastructure on Uber as we should be rush buying settlers, which kkeps the population low and happy. I frastructure on the mainland will progress whether we are at war or not and shouldn't count as a factor. The only sacrafice that would be made for an extended war/conquest of Persia would be a delay in building improvements as we will need the Core cities (and maybe some of the East border) to produce Knights. The benefit then comes in the form of a second war with America. Our Veteran Knights will then be able to move from Persia and secure Incense Valley. The entire war will only cost about ..er.. whatever it would cost to make two knights in each of the core cities. With this, the Great Basin will be ours entirerly!

[DAVOUT]

The main problem I see, is that we have not yet our mobile force and we dont know where is the mighty Greek army. I dont believe it in Newcastle (or it would be quite ineffective), and 2 Greek horsemen have just appeared in the vicinity of Chiquita (BTW one of them is in our territory and should be asked to leave). The loss of Delmonte and Timeline would cut the Empire in two very uncomfortable parts. Also a Greek worker (NNW of Chiquita) is probably preparing to connect Argos and Washington. All this shows an increasing activity in this area.

We need to move quickly three horsemen around Delmonte.

Edit : I meant Timeline, not Tassagrad.