Persia: Peace, Quick War, or Total Conquest?

[Togas]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
And our "Archerers" are pretty tough too!

...freakin' typos. I'm sure you'll never let me live that down.

--Togas

[kring]

Peace now.

We can't afford to get the Pyramids at this juncture. If you don't know why, it would be pointless to explain. We are overstretched now. We need to build up our infrastructure and our military. The long term risks outweigh the short term gains.

[Donegeal]

Kring- The Pyramids, Incense and Spice are all long term. None of then ever where out. This cities in this lush land will grow fast (grassland and grainery) and be productive (if we put the FP there). We would also, undoughtedly great a couple of GLs in a long war. The long term gains GREATLY out weight the short term risks.

[kring]

The long term gains of peace outweigh the short term goals of war more than greatly, but most of the people haven't considered them, and I am not going to waste my time proving the point since it would fall on deaf ears; and several have already made some good comments on why to end it. And GL's are not guaranteed, even in a long term war. I have a games where I didn't get any, even in several long term wars, and I have games where I have gotten them in short term wars.

[astrologix]

I wonder how updated our worlds map are. If they aren't, the Germans could have potentially two sources of iron. I've seen an Aro's map with a german worker doing a road on the source of iron near Hambourg. The Persians could have iron by trade with them. In this case the Aggie's plan could be very risky.....

[astrologix]

Please, don't attack Irak !.....er.....Persia !

Peace now !

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by kring
The long term gains of peace outweigh the short term goals of war more than greatly, but most of the people haven't considered them, and I am not going to waste my time proving the point since it would fall on deaf ears; and several have already made some good comments on why to end it. And GL's are not guaranteed, even in a long term war. I have a games where I didn't get any, even in several long term wars, and I have games where I have gotten them in short term wars.

The reason we advocate taking Persia now, is because it's our only chance until the Modern Era. They are using the AI "Turtle Strategy", which is to use other nations for bufferstates and build defense and infrastructure. If we don't attack them now, we won't be able to later.

I propose "Operation Onion", titled upon a 3-layer approach.

First, we peel Layer One off the Persians, if the war is bogging down or we feel we need to concentrate on infrastruture, we can sign a peace treaty and come back for Layer 2 later.

Likewise with Layer Two, once completed it gives us another chace to continue or sue for peace.

Layer One takes Tyre, Sidon, and Gordium. Leaving us with a strike position against the Persian heartland and within view of the Pyramids.

Layer Two takes the Pyramids and their Iron source.

Layer Three finishes them and seizes all the luxuries.

EDIT correction to the Layer Three image, I think we should keep Suza where it is, NOT move it one tile NW. Likewise with Layer Two, Antioch could be left in it's current location.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Layer Two:

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Layer Three:

[Robber Baron]

It's still too early to tell, really. If, for example, it proves costly taking Sidon or Tyre, then we will quickly overextend our still (admittedly) weak military.
If, on the other hand, we take these cities handily AND, by the grace of the Almighty Banana, get a great leader ... well, then we could possibly take and hold the Pyramids, by building our Forbidden Palace in the vicinity, perhaps. (A move that would probably require, eventually, moving our palace to a more central location in Central Abananaba.)
But then, if we get bogged down here, either Greece or Germany could seriously hurt us on other fronts.

The luxury of our current position is, we can afford to press forward and see how things go. We move against Tyre and Sidon, then wait for the Persians' counterattack. It will be archer -based, and we should be able to stave it off easily enough. Meanwhile, we hook up our roads, build a bit of culture. If neither Alexander nor Bismark feel themselves in position to take us on yet, (and if the Romans hold off as well), then we venture further into Persian territory. In the meantime, maybe we can manufacture a leader (swords against on-coming archers? I like the odds. )

[jdd2007]

this is very close, 9-14-9-14!

might it be possible to get the english on our side?

[Aggie]

I don't believe persia has a connection to germany, even if they did we can stop the war at anytime if immortals appear. So really the ONLY risk is an alliance against us. Togas has stated he doesn't believe persia has enough money to accomplish this. However as things proceed we might have to revaluate alliances. I thought of making alliance with all our neighbors and then just going full bore at persia. But at this stage(since we don't know how long we'll fight) such an allianace is not useful. I also thought of england alliance, but they are in a position to take several persian cities,no good. So we are left going it along right now. If this true the only danger of war is the lack of building of infrastructure. However as I have said before we have plenty of units for the intial phase of war so infrastructure doesn't get hurt. After that we can decide whats next. The war can always be stopped and their offer will only go up. Look how germany did and THEY had an army at the gates. However I think we will reevaluate after every stage.
Aggie

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

No alliances! If we ally with someone we risk THEM taking the luxury cities as they're all on the coast where a naval landing might occur.

I say we take what we can and if its too much, make peace, consolidate and take up the war later. Persia will only be weaker from the loss of cities and we'll be stronger.

England, no! The first cities they would go against would be the spice city and then the incense.

[jdd2007]

ok, ok. just wondering.

[Aro]

That is a fantastic analysis (and amazing graphics!), Ghengis. I'll be busy today (RL, again), and I can't look deeply, but seems to be a very doable plan. The three layers allow us to conduct this war with flexibility.