Persia: Peace, Quick War, or Total Conquest?

[Donegeal]

Pikeman or horse would be best, I believe.
Pikeman can upgrade all the way to Mech Inf.
Horse can upgrade all the way to Calvary.
Sword can't upgrade at all
doing the Pikeman would delay the War effort as they would have to walk all the way to the French cities then walk all the way to the front. Horse don't have the offensive value as sword. Mounted swordmen (a concept I have been hearing about) would combine the best of both. Lets try to get those...

[Aggie]

I would like a pikeman built and sent to france. I think after that though we should leave the garrison there. They are isolated and if attacked would have to hold out until help arrived. To do so would require some offensive capability, so except for the 2 extra I'm bringing from there I don't want more to come back.
I do now have an approximate timeline for operations.
Just so decisions and plans can be made, we could stop at the end of any stage so these plans are "if we get there" plans.
Note to public works a road rush built over mountain to tyre could cut up to 2 turns off attack time.
Note for City planner: units take 6 turns(4 if road built to tyre) to get to tyre from core cities and from there 2 turns to useful position, so w/o rd we need extra units ready by turn 11 or turn 13 with road. Those units will not be used for the stages mentioned here. so if we decide to end at stage 1 or 2 we don't need those units.
Also note there will be about 2 pikemen with army. Hopes this makes decisions easier.

turn(1-5) upgrading and movement of troops, at turn 5 an army of 4sw and 2 horse ready to move on tyre/sidon

turn(6-10) 2 more sw arrive on scene
attack on sidon/tyre(battle will start on turn 7/8),
End of stage 1

turn(11-13) attack units recover and other units get to sidon

turn14 units move 2e of tyre
Estimated force 9sword and 2horse
turn 15 1/2(with horse) move e, then s to 1n of gordium
1/2(w/o horse) move e, then n to march on antioch

turn 16 Southern force(SF) attack Gordium
Northern Force(NF) move N

turn 17 SF recover and moves remaining horses N
NF ne

turn 18 As many units as citizens stay in gordium, rest move n
NF ne

Turn 19 Nf attacks Antioch from hill
End of stage 2

If there is a stage 3 it will be the attack on the heartland of the persians. Plan for that not possible to make right now will have to wait to see results of stage2
Aggie

[Shiber]

IMHO the Pyramids are very tempting but right now is not the best time to conquer them. We should rather attempt to take Persia's iron. Then we'll have a huge advantage over them and we'll be able to take the pyramids swiftly with an army of knights in 20-25 turns or so.
In the mean time our swordsmen will be busy taking America's incense and maybe wiping them out completely.

[Donegeal]

I was sitting here thinking about the Persia situation, actually thinking that maybe Presidential hopeful OPD might be right. A long war could be costly and, hey, they don't have Iron now and most likely won't have it in the future. We will be able to take them out at our leisure. Then I remembered that spearmen can be upgraded directly to Musketmen and completely romove Pikemen from the equation. We don't have gunpowder yet (so we don't know where the saltpeter is) and neither do they. Which one of us do you think is going to get there first? Persia of course (with all their rivers and incense to increase trade). If saltpeter is somewhere in their land, our opertunity to take them out will be forever gone (leaving our east to a treacherous enemy). If we attack now, attack hard and don't stop, they won't get gunpowder as they will have changed their tax rate to fund a futile war against us. Its now or we slug it out with Tanks, Artillery and Infantry.

And that will kill lots of kittens.
Please... will someone think of the kittens?

[Panag]

Originally posted by donegeal
Pikeman or horse would be best, I believe.
Pikeman can upgrade all the way to Mech Inf.
Horse can upgrade all the way to Calvary.
Sword can't upgrade at all
doing the Pikeman would delay the War effort as they would have to walk all the way to the French cities then walk all the way to the front. Horse don't have the offensive value as sword. Mounted swordmen (a concept I have been hearing about) would combine the best of both. Lets try to get those...

hi ,

well units that we cant upgrade , or that we dont want to upgrade can always be used to be disdanded in a city , ......

have a nice day

[Aro]

I'm thinking of the kittens. The reason tells me to wait, but those kittens... sniff... Take the Pyramids now!

[Shiber]

Originally posted by panag
well units that we cant upgrade , or that we dont want to upgrade can always be used to be disdanded in a city ,

Swordsmen cost 30 shields. When disbanded in a city, they return 7. IMHO it's much wiser not to build additional swordsmen in the first place.

[Aggie]

Well the vote to go past sidon/tyre is 22-20 for, but has really tightened up. Well it won't be an issue for another week since the sidon/tyre atack won't happen until tue/wed. Maybe we'll repost this poll again then after we have those 2 cities, right now stage 2 seems to be the favorite(with a vote like this i think the point where the majority is reached is the course of action).
Aggie

[Panag]

Originally posted by Shiber


Swordsmen cost 30 shields. When disbanded in a city, they return 7. IMHO it's much wiser not to build additional swordsmen in the first place.

hi ,

indeed , so when we have infantry or musketman we should disband them , they shall help to build the new unit faster , and we shall not have to spend money on an old unit , ...

have a nice day

[astrologix]

IMHO, we don't have a strong army enough to take Tyre/Sidon (and keep them safely). We need at least 7/8 turns to prepare our attack. The Persians could attack us before, and we could have some surprises !

We need to consolidate our positions in the western side of our empire. Keep forces there in case of a sneak attack from Greece or France. In addition, if we leave the recently conquered towns less garrisoned, they could flip !

IMO, we should make peace now and prepare the colonization of Uber Isle......We need settlers and workers !!

Peace !

[Donegeal]

What on earth would the Persians counter attack with?

Archers? Hah! They suck now, just ask Togas!

[Aro]

I voted for the Pyramids, in the trust that Aggie will take good care of our defenses (because he have the necessary troops) and then march with a big army all the way over the Persian territory. We can do this.
Err.. we CAN do this, right, Aggie?
Please, say yes…

[GhengisFarb™]

We have to take Persia or they'll be so entrenched in their "Garden of Eden" that it will be virtually impossible to take them until we have nuclear weapons.

[Togas]

Originally posted by donegeal
Archers? Hah! They suck now, just ask Togas!

Persian archers are pathetic, however, APOLYTONIA ARCHERS are a fierce, firey, dedicated breed of patriot that can destroy cities and score countless touchdowns!

Err. Um... sorry about that. Got caught thinking of my Jungle Ball franchise. We face off with Donegeal's pathetic team this weekend.

Time to get back on topic...

If we don't prune the Persians now, they will return with more than their pathetic archers. They will arrive with knights and immortals. We have the power to protect Apolytonia's future. Don't force our children to have to fend off a Persian hoard because we were too cowardly to do it ourself.

--Togas

[GhengisFarb™]

And our "Archerers" are pretty tough too!