OFFICIAL poll: Declaration of War on France

[Kuciwalker]

Since when was France an empire? To be an empire, a nation has to possess conquered territories and peoples. We, for example, are an empire, as we conquered America.

[Schee]

To be an empire, a nation has to possess conquered territories and peoples.

Hmm... I don't think so... when Napoléon III declared himself as an Emperor, France didn't have conquered any territory since the fall of the First Empire.

I think the ruler of the country just has to say "now I am an Emperor and my country is an Empire"...

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[adaMada]

Yes! Down with France! Conquest on! Etc, Etc, Etc.

-- adaMada

[Verto]

As long as this plan calls for merciless pillaging, I'm all for it.

[Ninot]

Originally posted by Schee


Hmm... I don't think so... when Napoléon III declared himself as an Emperor, France didn't have conquered any territory since the fall of the First Empire.

I think the ruler of the country just has to say "now I am an Emperor and my country is an Empire"...

[edit] Last sentence had nothing to do here. [/edit]

Well, lets look at the Romans.

if you consider the years around Caesar's death (his battles with Pompey, his assasination, the battle for power afterwards) as the period of Anarchy, and then when Octavious took power the begining of the empire, well, there werent any serious teritory gains inbetween those two events. But what did change (although not much) was how seriously the ruler listened to the Senate. Sure, Octavious (Augustus) listened alot, but he was a supreme ruler. An Emperor. He had the power to make decisions single handedly.

I think that is all that made Rome an empire, how it was ruled.

And i dont think it was because Rome had overseas territories that made it go towards an Empire. My memory from what ive read on Pre-Anarchy Rome is sketchy right now, but if my memory serves me, the new teritories before 100 B.C. (and thus before the social wars) didnt have that great an effect on the Republic, it was just lands far away that happened to have Romans taking care of them.

I think the Empire bit had a lot more to do with certain powerful people (the generals) growing much displeased with how the Senate was being conducted, and then the generals being displeased with each other, untill the One ruler system emerged... where there was still too much ambition and conflict on the inside, which could be one reason for the fall of the empire.. well, other than the eventual collapse of the wonderous Roman armies that were so victorius for so long and then sundenly weren't very well kept.

[Panag]

hi ,

, we should wait a bit , ...

have a nice day

[Vlad Antlerkov]

We aren't going to declare war right now. We're going to wait 10+ turns (IIRC, around 11 or 12) to declare war. By then, we'll have massed forces on their borders (a stack of archers and spearmen next to Orleans, and eight swordsmen next to Paris).

If Paris grows to size 6, we may end up attacking earlier, though (since its defense goes up).

[DarkCloud]

the strategy was prepared a long time ago (925 BC). the SMC plans ahead well in advance.

Couldn't perhaps the situation have changed by now

[Vlad Antlerkov]

It has. For example, Uber adjusted the plans to account for the presence of Rouen near our landing area for the swordsmen.

Here's the plans:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58428

[Panag]

hi ,

the plans are getting better and better , ....

very soon they shall see our troops , ....

have a nice day