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**Kuciwalker** · August 6, 2002, 16:59

Uber, I support you (even though you hate me to no end), but only if you're planning on using my proposed model: President, VP, War Minister (war, expansion,), Domestic Minister (city planning, public works, finance,science), and Foreign Minister (foreign, trade). Each minister has a sort of helper: Generals for War, Governors for Domestic, Ambassadors for Foreign. The Court is unchanged.

**Spiffor** · August 6, 2002, 17:00

What we need is to appoint replacements for those who are abssent to the turnchat. After you left, the turnchat became much more efficient, without superfluous chatting among the ministers. It's not your fault at all : you left at the worst time, when we didn't adapt ourselves to the plannerless situation.
That's why some people (OPD, Sirralph, myself, then Ninot) were seriously discussing the city planning issue, throwing everybody else in boredom. We now know that we MUST get temporary replacements for those who're not here on a chat. Debate on every single matter is ****. It wastes debate on important matters.
After this, we've done 2 more turns without problems, and without spending too much time.

**Kuciwalker** · August 6, 2002, 17:04

Spiffor - even after he left, the turnchat was HORRIBLE. Timeline gave misleading and often incorrect orders, the ministers took all eternity to debate things, and the citizens were largely ignored.

**Epistax** · August 6, 2002, 17:06

Where I do agree that those in charge are not doing what they could to help the consistency of the game, I do not think that should be a cause for revolution. At worst, nothing will become of turnchats until the irresponsible officials are removed from office at the next election.

I will admit that I say very silly things during turnchats sometimes, and it is usually out of boredom for an order. However if the long delay comes from actual thinking and planning, I don't mind at all.

We should never, ever, have a delay because of an absence, short of a birth or death/injury in RL. You can always have your latest plans explicitly posted. You can always have a backup.

**UnOrthOdOx** · August 6, 2002, 17:06

I think we all need to seriously sit down and take a look at how chats are handled all together.

Sorry I cannot go into detail at the moment. I have something to go and work out...

**Inverse Icarus** · August 6, 2002, 17:07

i didnt even mention the fact that timline got several orders incorrect, which caused "official mistakes".

Whats the point of debating strategy if the officials cant even get the orders right?

**Kuciwalker** · August 6, 2002, 17:08

Really, his incorrect orders slowed the game down a lot.

**Nubclear** · August 6, 2002, 17:11

Uh oh, maybe I should stop citing the Civ3 Demo Game as something to model after in the AC demo game....

**Kuciwalker** · August 6, 2002, 17:13

Ok, I've changed Science to fall under Domestic, at Uber's suggestion.

**Timeline** · August 6, 2002, 17:13

Lol Uber, you make it sound so serious. Yeah I made one slip up with a galley, moving it the wrong way ONCE.

This was a not a serious mistake because the Galley is not needed anywhere at the moment, and even now we have ordered it to just sit and wait.

This thread is completely useless, things went great after you left.

**Inverse Icarus** · August 6, 2002, 17:14

later tonight i shall produce my complete plan for the restructuring of the government.

**Kuciwalker** · August 6, 2002, 17:15

Actually, you made A LOT of slips. Worker/Settler pair. Stack of 4 workers. Orders that were unclear, imprecise, and/or just plain WRONG.

**Nubclear** · August 6, 2002, 17:16

I can see it now...

"And then the Unity launched. It launched away from all the war, disease, hunger that plagued Earth. It launched away from the revolutions and unstable governments. Away from the corruption. It launched away from the failed experiment that was the Human Race.

But in forty years, that experiment would begin again. And the crew of the Unity will not allow the same tragic mistakes to be repeated." - Tassadar, Some Future Edition of UNN

In other words, this government is so unstable and so divided that I doubt anything will help us at this point. Whatever officials may have did in the turnchat is bad (Although I wasn't there..) of course, but now people are calling fo revolutions?

If we continue to act THIS WAY, the Civ3 Democracy Game will surely come to a loss...I only hope that Alpha Centauri does not share the same fate.

**Spiffor** · August 6, 2002, 17:16

skywalker :
once the city planning thing has been settled, ministers didn't discuss for more than 1 minute per matter anymore.
We gave orders with authority, consistent with what has been done, even if we didn't have the ministerial post (for example, I ordered Apolyton-produced warriors to go to Termina, as Uber has always done)

The only "debate" was about ending the turn in 670, but it was settled in 2 minutes.

Re the ignored citizens : I'm sorry, but I looked at the public chatroom very often. The public said nil. Please explain me how to listen to a mute public (you'll notice the only constructive suggestion from the public forum this turnchat, OPD's city plan, has been followed).

I think we don't need stronger team-leaders. We need some strong team members, who can issue menial orders without having to discuss with the colleagues. We should let debate (with everyone) for important matters, such as a general strategy, a techwhoring plan, massive poprushing etc.
Debating on whether Apolyton should work on grassland or forests should not happen again. For this, we need an active city planner, or a true city planner replacement.

Yes. We need this.	43.48%	30 votes
No. I like immature kids who can't get things done. I want this game to go on for years with 1 turn per turnchat.	36.23%	25 votes
Abstain.	20.29%	14 votes

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