Election: President

[notyoueither]

They might, and then it is Timeline's place to object.

[Papa Chubby]

Well I must also admit that I haven't diligently studied our constitution, but even without looking at it, I can tell that there is a difference between a deputy or and aide and a 2nd president. The 2nd president is the vice-president, are we now supposed to have three presidents because the candidates think the race is too close, it makes no sense at all.

[Malthis]

No odd couple



OK, I've just decided on who to vote for, but now I'm hearing it doesn't matter, cause in the "spirit of unity" we will have TWO presidents.....

I promise, that if you try to usurp the democratic process here, I will not vote for EITHER of you in the future.

[notyoueither]

The race appears to have been tampered with and there is no way to recount.

What do you suggest we do? Other than accept a tainted result not of our own making (most probably).

[notyoueither]

Malthis. Vote!

Nothing has been settled yet for sure, and I doubt it will be before some time tomorrow (at the earliest).

[Jon Shafer]

Returning at last, I can confirm (in my own words ) that what Ninot said is correct. People can whine and moan about it all they want, but point out a LAW that says we can't do this. Besides, after Ninney and I are through, you may change your mind anyways.

[Papa Chubby]

You can wink all you want Trip, but that does not make yours and Ninneys, as you call him, ad-hoc modification of the election sweet. I can simply state that I don't agree with it, but if you don't care, then thats just that. For now I'm going to sleep, this is just irritating me.

[Jon Shafer]

An election so close, do you not feel that out of 122 votes that they're all legitmate, and all votes from members? The most we've gotten in a consensus poll was 91.

The problems are:

1) Anyone within the game can tamper results easily with DLs.

and probably more importantly, at least in this case is

2) Anyone who sees the poll can vote. Do you think the people who came by and voted after they saw the news post on the news page are as well-informed as our citizens? Of course not.

So what do we do about these things? Since the election was so important, it got a lot of attention... good attention and unwanted attention. I'm willing to bet that 3/4 of all votes cast since the beginning of yesterday haven't been members.

[Malthis]

Originally posted by notyoueither
The race appears to have been tampered with and there is no way to recount.

What do you suggest we do? Other than accept a tainted result not of our own making (most probably).

Let the other members of this democratically elected administration make a decision. The flagrant improvisation of administration with two presidents will only hurt future elections.
My promise stands.....

[Malthis]

Originally posted by Trip
I'm willing to bet that 3/4 of all votes cast since the beginning of yesterday haven't been members.

I had to log in as a member to vote.....
Is this SPIN I hear?

My promise stands

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Malthis
I had to log in as a member to vote.....
Is this SPIN I hear?

My promise stands

Members of Apolytonia, not registered at the forums.

Keep to your promise. Honor lies above all else. I'll hold you to it.

[notyoueither]

BTW Malthis,

When did you join the game?

[Robber Baron]

I'm all over the map here -- -- but this caught me up:

Originally posted by Trip
An election so close, do you not feel that out of 122 votes that they're all legitmate
... 2) Anyone who sees the poll can vote. Do you think the people who came by and voted after they saw the news post on the news page are as well-informed as our citizens? Of course not.

We need to be very careful here, I believe, about trying to sort out "well-informed" or casual votes from ones that are supposedly better considered and hence more valid. If a real (real virtual, that is ) citizen of our game voted merely to tie up the race, just for the heck of it, that vote is every bit as legitimate as the one cast by his peer who agonized for days and pored over every post. We're not in the business of deciding how many votes were how well-informed.
We're just trying to sort out what seems to me and others like a case of electoral fraud.


(Sorry to get preachy.)

[notyoueither]

Yes RB, but the vote being tied (or nearly so) for 3 days is not explained by 1 or 2 impish citizens. I grant most of my fellow citizens as being more responsible than that.

No, what it looks like to me is that someone(s) other than one of our citizens has/have been mucking with our electoral process.

I can not think of any other more probable explanation.

[Aggie]

Trip and Ninot, you both have earned the presidency. The solution that was achived is not only moral, it is also legal. I do have a suggestion for the next election though, perhaps we should have a residency requiremnt so to speak. In short you must have been registered when the voting started to participate. Maybe also you would have had to log in at least once in the last week. Just an idea. Also we are lucky the amendment failed, because if it had not this would be patently illegal on 2 counts.
Aggie