The Senate

[Sirotnikov]

panag - i think that the participants are already a senate of sort.

[Spiffor]

Sirotnikov :
So far, the responsibility over polling goes to the vice president, which hasn't much to do otherwise... You may have a point when saying a "supreme court" or something should be lected, but I guess it would need yet another poll... ugh. Could we wait some time before making yet another constitution poll ? (the more I think of it, the more I regret to have rushed my amendment poll)

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I actually do think that we should have some sort of a body which will regulate the govt.

Perhaps a "supreme court" is a better title.


Let's say 3-5 people who are elected once per month, who have the power to "administrate" this democracy.

I think it's unreasonable that the executive branch, will be responsible for handling things like elections and polls and so forth.

hi ,

ones a month , , to fast , by the time the senators have learned their stuff , its to late , ...

3 , to little , 7 a max , 5 to start with , ....

admin , yes , but when lets say people call for impeachment of the president , his vice , and half of the cabinet post's , then the senate should check , is this just because an evil campain is mounted versus some people , ....and so on

what happens if this or that official take s this or that decision , but the people impeach him / her , before the big plan is revealled , ....



and of course the senate will have to watch the president that he does not smoke to much cigars , ....

have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
panag - i think that the participants are already a senate of sort.

hi ,

allas , who else is in , ......

the big nice Cat is , the Rat also , so who else , ...

maybe Dal should be here , ....

have a nice day

[notyoueither]

Keep it as a Senate. Courts are so... modern in concept.

They also denote a willingness to fly completely in the face of the will of the people.

The Senate threads can accomodate everyone, and their POVs, even if official status as senators is limited to a smaller number.

[Panag]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Keep it as a Senate. Courts are so... modern in concept.

They also denote a willingness to fly completely in the face of the will of the people.

The Senate threads can accomodate everyone, and their POVs, even if official status as senators is limited to a smaller number.

hi ,

and most senators went to law school so , we can act also as a body with what the president can consult , if for one or the other reason , he can not , or does not want to consult the other members of the government , ..

the senate would be a neutral body , ....in the intrest of the people , ....

have a nice day

[Spiffor]

NYE :
I still don't get the use of having the official status of senator limited to a smaller number. Could you explain me what purpose it would serve, please ?

[ThePlagueRat]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I actually do think that we should have some sort of a body which will regulate the govt.

Perhaps a "supreme court" is a better title.


Let's say 3-5 people who are elected once per month, who have the power to "administrate" this democracy.

I think it's unreasonable that the executive branch, will be responsible for handling things like elections and polls and so forth.

That's a far better idea, in my opinion.
They would have to handle the administrative questions which may arise along the way, based upon the constitution.
To the effect of reducing corruption in the elective processes
( ballot stuffers, spam, etc. )
Giving them a duty to prosecute corrupt state officials, cancel illegal votings and... yeah, legal-stuff mostly.

[notyoueither]

Spiffor.

From Siro's and your posts about a need from time to time for an elected body, other than the Executive.

[civman2000]

Siro: once again, a waste of time that just clutters everything up.

NYE: lol, i would support the people doing everything directly if total mayhem wasnt the result ! I mean an elitist body separate from the cabinet, which has alswyas been a part of demo games and everyone accepts. I would be impossible to run anything without some official positions like that.

[notyoueither]

Ah yes. Elitist bad, if it ain't you.

[notyoueither]

Supreme Court, Senate... tomato, tomatoe...

Except it should be part of the function of a democratic Senate to invite all citizens into all discussions so that they may be heard. I don't know of many courts that function this way. The only question is whether to limit voting rignts in the body to a limited number.

[Sirotnikov]

I think that everyone are senators.

I think that if there is a malicious campaign, then it won't get enough votes.


Speaking of which - we need to set a regular time limit for such polls of impeachment and elections, which will always serve.

If I start a 1 day long poll to impeach the president and get all my friends to vote in it, then it'll have a majority.


Also, we have to decide is a majority a regular majority (of the voters) or the majority of the total number of players?

Also, how do we prevent non-players from voting and skewing results?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I think that everyone are senators.

I think that if there is a malicious campaign, then it won't get enough votes.


Speaking of which - we need to set a regular time limit for such polls of impeachment and elections, which will always serve.

If I start a 1 day long poll to impeach the president and get all my friends to vote in it, then it'll have a majority.


Also, we have to decide is a majority a regular majority (of the voters) or the majority of the total number of players?

Also, how do we prevent non-players from voting and skewing results?

All senators? OK. We all vote on these issues.

Time Limits? 7 days is probably too long, and 1 definitely too short. What about 5?

Majorities... For non constitutional issues it should be a simple majority of votes cast.

For constitutional issues, it should be a majority of a quorum. Quorum? 50%, 60%, 70%???

No way to limit votes. Any registered member of Poly is a citizen. Only registered members of Poly can vote in polls. It works. We have to rely on the Gods Ming and Mark to protect us from the evil spirits known as DLs.

/Edited for clarity and to add 50% to the options for quorum.

[Ninot]

I am agaisnt a senate, here is why:

1: We are making a Demo game.. not a Republic game. A senate is a tool of a republic, where the nation needs representatives, because the MILLIONS of people can not gather at once, and all vote, on every issue.

2: We are only 100 or so.. and i dont think we will grow that much larger. Having votes of 100 people on every issue isnt that outrageous. Also, allowing everyone to vote on issues is a tool of Democracies....

And, well, its not like the US system, where the senate votes on things cuz not everyone can live in Washington. We have a VERY accesible and convenient form of gathering, that would allow for votes from all of the citizens of the nation.

So a Senate would be nothing more than an excessive layer of government, and a way to keep people feeling important and elite... That we do not need.