The Senate

[Panag]

Originally posted by civman2000
BURN IT!!!

POINTLESS WASTE OF TIME AND OVERORGANIZATION THAT RUINS THE GAME!!!!

hi ,

these types of insubordination against the government , by a minister should be brought to the attention of the supreme court , .........

where is that secret police when you need them , ......

have a nice day

[notyoueither]

Spiffor,

You have me wrong.

Control the government? Not a chance.

A place, maybe just threads, for everybody else (you know, the one's who aren't ministers) to beef and grouse and praise without cluttering up the forum with a thousand threads.

However, if the people decided to invest the Senate with some specific powers (such as being the final arbitrators of contentious polls) and decide to name specific individuals to the Senate then so be it.

What I wonder is why it seems to be some of the people holding positions already who seem to be coming out swinging against the idea. Would-be tyranni would be very much against the idea of a Senate. Hmmmm.

[civman2000]

No, it's just that it's completely pointless! We're already going to be overorganized with the provincial governor stuff and all that other stuff, and now this?? TOTAL WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!

[Panag]

Originally posted by civman2000
No, it's just that it's completely pointless! We're already going to be overorganized with the provincial governor stuff and all that other stuff, and now this?? TOTAL WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!

hi ,

so is getting several jobs at the government at the same time , ......it would be pointless , because there would be to much to do to combine two or more jobs , ...

if its such a total waste of time , then you would agree if 5 people decide they have nothing better to do then to waste their time , .......

have a nice day

[notyoueither]

civman, you may be missing the point. This is for the people. Not to horn in on anything that the ministers currently do. Why is there a problem with an idea to make things more interesting for the rest of us?

I have proposed nothing that would lead any Senate to interfere in any way with the Executive.

I would say anything to encourage more participation by all of the people in this game would be much more valuable than governors. Any day of the week.

[Spiffor]

I'm not tyrannical, as I don't have personal ambitions (if you look at my campaign thread, you'll see I accepted to be minister of trade because nobody else wanted).
If the "senate" is a thread compiling thread, I'm perfectly fine with it. If it's a place where anyone can discuss without discrimination, I'm very enthusiatic about it, and I will participate there as a normal citizen, as soon as I'm done with my ministerial duties.

However, I have a problem with the senate Panag seems to defend, i.e a place where a small nomenklatura of people, who claim themselves to be representative of the population, enjoy their petty priviledges.
In fact, I have a problem with the very idea of "representatives" in the Democracy of Apolyton. As we're very few, I don't see why people should be represented by anyone else than themselves. I think it would ruin the democratic feeling of the game, and thus ruin the fun.

NYE : sorry if I didn't get your idea. But you have to agree there can be confusion with your idea of an open forum, and Panag's idea of a very restricted cenacle.
I'll support the idea of a thread compiling thread, but I currently don't feel we should make this a rigid rule... Time will tell if we need it or so.
Also, if I understand well, your idea is that the Senate is composed by all people. Then, giving more powers to the senate will mean giving more power to the people. I absolutely agree with that

[civman2000]

Anyone who wants to can create a senate discussion thread, i just see no reason why it should be official. This does not mean I support the idea, it just means that anyone has the right to make one. And what do you mean "so is getting several jobs at the government at the same time , ......it would be pointless , because there would be to much to do to combine two or more jobs , ... " You can only have one cabinet position at a time

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Trip

Boy, sounds like a useful addition.

I love your avatar!

Can I use it for things?

Can you send me a larger version?

[civman2000]

Spiffor, I agree. What I don't like is:
1. There being an elitist group of the citizens, no matter how fairly people can join
2. Having something rigid and/or official.

If someone wants to create a thread for general discussion or get a bunch of people to submit one opinion as a whole, they have the right to do that, but I see no reason that a senate would be necessary for that

[ThePlagueRat]

House of Commons? House of Lords? Could be interesting...
You all wanna become an MP, rather than a sissy senator, wouldn't you?

Actually, I agree mostly with minister spiffor at this principle.
(Great Britain were not very democratic after all)

Darn, I need a pint now... see ya!

[notyoueither]

If the "senate" is a thread compiling thread, I'm perfectly fine with it. If it's a place where anyone can discuss without discrimination, I'm very enthusiatic about it, and I will participate there as a normal citizen, as soon as I'm done with my ministerial duties

Well. I'm glad we've got that thrashed out. Thank you Spiffor and civman.

I guess we could assume this is the first session of the Senate.

The first session might last, oh, about 500 posts give or take a few.

[Panag]

Originally posted by ThePlagueRat
House of Commons? House of Lords? Could be interresting...

hi ,

to big ,

a simple senate , with at least 5 people , no more then 7 , that should do it for all the way up-to at least 500 citizens , .....

have a nice day

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by civman2000
Spiffor, I agree. What I don't like is:
1. There being an elitist group of the citizens, no matter how fairly people can join
2. Having something rigid and/or official.

I find this very peculiar, coming from a minister. Why do we have you at all? Why don't we all just advise the president directly every turn?

[Sirotnikov]

I actually do think that we should have some sort of a body which will regulate the govt.

Perhaps a "supreme court" is a better title.


Let's say 3-5 people who are elected once per month, who have the power to "administrate" this democracy.

I think it's unreasonable that the executive branch, will be responsible for handling things like elections and polls and so forth.

[Panag]

Originally posted by notyoueither
If the "senate" is a thread compiling thread, I'm perfectly fine with it. If it's a place where anyone can discuss without discrimination, I'm very enthusiatic about it, and I will participate there as a normal citizen, as soon as I'm done with my ministerial duties

Well. I'm glad we've got that thrashed out. Thank you Spiffor and civman.

I guess we could assume this is the first session of the Senate.

The first session might last, oh, about 500 posts give or take a few.

hi ,

the senate should make time to listen to all the Q's the people have , check on stuff , and most important of all , let the people speak , .......that is with problem's , remarks , stuff like impeachment , vote's , ...stuff like that , what the senate is doing normally , ...

have a nice day