The French corner : Joan or Napoleon or Louis XIV

[Kramerman]

oh yeah, Cleopatra, forgot all about her, though I heard as a seductress she was more charming than beautiful. But that's only a rumor that an old history teacher told my class, there's no way of knowing for sure though .
One thing is for sure and that is they could of done a little better job modeling her in the game , huh, am i right? Am I right?
Your right, Sabrewolf, they should of made Cathrine a young Czarina.
As for Elizabeth, (who i heard seduced Sir Francis Drake, on the topic of seductresses) she should of been modled after Elizabeth Hurley (she's a Brit, right?) w/ red hair.

[Kramerman]

"L'Amérique? C'est révolution de la barbarie à la décadence, sans toucher la culture." - Georges Clemenceau

... uhm... correct me, if i'm wrong

I think this might be the quote, I found it on the internet and its by Clemenceau and its along the lines of your translation...
"America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization."


This quote surprises me though, because I know that Clemenceau came to America to live for awhile because Napoleon III didnt like him, or something like that. Kind of odd that he would speak poorly of a country that he chose to live in (out of all the countries and colonies in the world) when running from his own country.

But, I take it fresno doesnt like America
Oh well. The US gov does make mistakes, but im sure the Danish gov does too....

[Kramerman]

You'll tell this still makes him an arrogant, ungrateful ass. But you Americans, who fought dearly for your independance, know how important this is. For France, acquiring independance from the homogeneous US didn't need any bloodshed, just some words and money.

I don't understand, Spiffor, particularly what you mean by a homogeneous US. The US is anything but homogeneous(thats the source of many of our problems, in fact). I personally, honostly, could careless if someone was arogant or ungrateful, as de Gaulle was. Stuff I said earlier was mostly just joking around. But what ticks me off about de Gaulle is while America and Britain were conducting a freaking world war, he was being completely uncooperative to their requests on how they would like him to help or participate. This very possibly could of jeoperdized the liberation of France, 'cause as you know, when fighting a world war you need order and organization. Then when the war was over, he paraded himself as the hero of France, when in actuality durring the war, other than some stuff he did in Africa and little w/ the french resistance, he just worked on his PR image and eliminated any political competiton to him as the assumed leader of france after its eventual liberation. It just seems to me he cared more about his personal ambitions than he did about France, and exploited Allied war efforts to further his ambitions.
This is only my opinion of him though. If there is any misinformation in what ive said please tell me, because if he was a good guy, than I would like to respect him...

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Kramerman
oh yeah, Cleopatra, forgot all about her, though I heard as a seductress she was more charming than beautiful. But that's only a rumor that an old history teacher told my class, there's no way of knowing for sure though .
One thing is for sure and that is they could of done a little better job modeling her in the game , huh, am i right? Am I right?
Your right, Sabrewolf, they should of made Cathrine a young Czarina.
As for Elizabeth, (who i heard seduced Sir Francis Drake, on the topic of seductresses) she should of been modled after Elizabeth Hurley (she's a Brit, right?) w/ red hair.

oh yes... the most beautiful legs in cinema and love her english accent

there's a guy who made a whole set of amazon units... i wonder if he included some good looking leaderesses?

(i can already picture some comments on this topic: "go have a cold showser" or "i you want pretty women, don't play civ3" ... well )

[Fresno]

Sabrewolf:

"the average something dutch(?) has the IQ of half a plancton (you know, these single-cell-thingies ) and ........... at everything that moves"

Hey, not bad for someone who doesn't speak Dutch!
An "oranjeklant" is a fan of the Dutch royal family. Translated it would be:
"The average royalist has the IQ of half an ounce of plancton and will wave to everything that moves anyway."
It was said by Youp van 't Hek, a Dutch comedian and collumnist who is in favour of a Dutch republic instead of the current Dutch monarchy.

Your second translation is 100% correct.

Kramerman:

But, I take it fresno doesnt like America
Oh well. The US gov does make mistakes, but im sure the Danish gov does too....

Don't be sad, I don't like many aspects of America. I don't like some aspects of the Dutch (I'm not Danish ) government as well. But the American faults are both more numerous and worse as the faults of any other democratic western country in the last fifty years.

I've got the feeling that many Americans don't see that. If you do see those mistakes, then that's great.

[Kramerman]

Don't be sad, I don't like many aspects of America. I don't like some aspects of the Dutch (I'm not Danish ) government as well. But the American faults are both more numerous and worse as the faults of any other democratic western country in the last fifty years.

It may very well be true that we have more, and much more serious faults as many other western democracy, but we also have many more and much stronger good points as well. Like, apple pie, Disney World, Britney Spears , as well as a whole bunch of other women who sun bathe on beaches in thongs (you know when you have a democracy when women are allowed to ware as skimpy of clothing as they like. I mean look at the middle east succers). Wait, is it true women in parts of Europe (like Italy and France) sun bathe topless? Damn it! I guess those countries are better than the US.

P.S. "advantages" and "disadvantages" are often based on opinoin and very hard to prove to be one way or another. Someone who sees something as a bad thing - like Globalization - I think is a good thing, etc.
And if your not Danish fresno, what are yu? if your going to lie in your profile, make it obvious so fools like me dont believe it.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Kramerman
It may very well be true that we have more, and much more serious faults as many other western democracy, but we also have many more and much stronger good points as well. Like, apple pie, Disney World, Britney Spears , as well as a whole bunch of other women who sun bathe on beaches in thongs (you know when you have a democracy when women are allowed to ware as skimpy of clothing as they like. I mean look at the middle east succers). Wait, is it true women in parts of Europe (like Italy and France) sun bathe topless? Damn it! I guess those countries are better than the US.

P.S. "advantages" and "disadvantages" are often based on opinoin and very hard to prove to be one way or another. Someone who sees something as a bad thing - like Globalization - I think is a good thing, etc.
And if your not Danish fresno, what are yu? if your going to lie in your profile, make it obvious so fools like me dont believe it.

america brought the world a lot of things... but why... why why why did you have to bring us brintey ?

what? you say no topless bathing in the states? uh oh... put on scarfs and you could be an islamic state best would be the california chicks (from the baywatch-series) in europe

Kramerman: fresno isn't danish (denmark, scandinavian country, north of germany, south of sweden), but dutch (netherlands = holland, west of germany, north of belgium) ... where did you see denmark in his profile?

[Kramerman]

what? you say no topless bathing in the states? uh oh... put on scarfs and you could be an islamic state

Noooooooo!! its true. Its considered something like "indecent exposure" through most of the year and in most places. Though the law is pretty lax in New Orleans during Marti Graw, most any places during Spring Break (thats when the college students go wild), and year round on the nudist colony beaches (which none I seem to be able to locate), I still detest this oppressive law. If a women (or man, i guess) wants to put herself on public display, than I think that should be her right protected under The Freedom of Speech, garuntted to us by the US Contsitution.

best would be the california chicks (from the baywatch-series) in europe

Oh yeah, Baywatch, forgot about that. I heard somewhere that that show a somepoint was the most popular in the world. I also heard they found some Baywatch tapes in some former Taliban headquarters in Afghanistan. Looks like those Fundamentalists are hipocrites....

fresno isn't danish

Damn it!!
I could of swore it said he was from Denmark. I remember because I was going to make some Greenland jokes, but thought better of it. I think he changed it as I requested...yeah had to. I was going to say something about Denmarkians (being fresh) but decided to be politically corect and just say Danes.

(denmark, scandinavian country, north of germany, south of sweden), but dutch (netherlands = holland, west of germany, north of belgium

And thanks Sabrewolf for the explanation, but I learned all about Euro-geography in 5th and then again in 9th grade. My Dane-Dutch mistake probably had something to do with a stroke of dislexia(sp?) Do you know where Texas is?

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Kramerman
And thanks Sabrewolf for the explanation, but I learned all about Euro-geography in 5th and then again in 9th grade. My Dane-Dutch mistake probably had something to do with a stroke of dislexia(sp?) Do you know where Texas is?

sorry, just wanted to be sure... i've heard of some switzerland-sweden mixups... same for australia and austria. in a forum an american tried to convince me, that paris was the capital of europe... and europe was actually the united states of europe with italy, france, etc. as states, not sovereign countries

texas, of course i know where that is... good 'ol dubya (W) is from there ... but i couldn't name all the states of new england

by the way: i loathe baywatch... all exept some bouncing bathingsuits
there was another series. one with hulk hogan and a hi-tech racing boat. i think something like "thunder in paradise" .... the series was if worse, but the chicks even better.

so to come back on-topic: dress joan, cathy, cleo and liz with some nice beach-clothing and it would boost civ3 sales by 50%

[Kramerman]

Yes, baywatch had poor plots, horible dialogue, and even worse acting, I personally don think ive ever seen a full episode.
And dont let Baby Bush sway your opinion of Texas or America for that matter. Sometimes I wonder about him, then I think of our other choice for Pres, Al Gore. The American public were kinda between a rock and a hard place for that one.

but i couldn't name all the states of new england

I dont think I could name any provinces in Switzerland. Do you even have provinces?

so to come back on-topic: dress joan, cathy, cleo and liz with some nice beach-clothing and it would boost civ3 sales by 50%

Absolutely, and add more clevage, always add more clevage. sales would skyrocket.

Kman

P.S. Your English is better than mine. Fresno's wasn't bad either. My compliments.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Kramerman
And dont let Baby Bush sway your opinion of Texas or America for that matter. Sometimes I wonder about him, then I think of our other choice for Pres, Al Gore. The American public were kinda between a rock and a hard place for that one.

well... over here in europe most are not too pleased with 'W' ... but that would now be waaaaaay off-topic....

I dont think I could name any provinces in Switzerland. Do you even have provinces?

somthing like it. they're called cantons and we have 26 of 'em. but don't forget, that switzerland as whole is only about double the size of the everglades in florida, so they're not really very big [btw: that's why i think federalism is exagerated in CH... cantons of only 80'000 having there own school system, police, etc.]

P.S. Your English is better than mine. Fresno's wasn't bad either. My compliments.

wow, thanks

[Fresno]

Originally posted by Kramerman
And if your not Danish fresno, what are yu? if your going to lie in your profile, make it obvious so fools like me dont believe it.

I think he changed it as I requested...yeah had to. I was going to say something about Denmarkians (being fresh) but decided to be politically corect and just say Danes.

I never said I'm from Denmark.

My Dane-Dutch mistake probably had something to do with a stroke of dislexia(sp?) Do you know where Texas is?

Of course I do, it's in Denmark

[Kramerman]

I appologize for thinking your Danish.

I think that the game should come with a couple of leader heads for each civ, maybe a even several from some cives, and then the player can chose who he wants to be and who he can play aagainst.
For example, Id like to play as NApoleon if I played France, but if I played agains France I would perfer Joan to be the leader. Though the game developers may run into problems with this idea, I didn'y even know who Shaka was, let alone any other Zulu leaders.

my first on topic reply in some time,
Kman

[Fresno]

Well, I'll post on-topic too, then... Although I can't say I'm used to do that.... It would be a good idea, but if they add more civs, I guess they will busy enough making heads for each civ already. Let's not make it too hard for those developers...

[Kramerman]

No, I disagree. I say we give those developers a hard-ass time. I bought civ iii thinking it was going to be the coolest game ever and then was sorely disapointed. Now to get the game I thought I was going to get originally with the first 40$ I spent , I'm going to have to shell out more money now for PtW to get the stuff that should of been included with the original game!
The Firaxians just want our money! And the sad thing is.... they're gonna get it. I just like the game too much

Kman

There goes me staying on topic.