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  • #31
    Originally posted by siredgar
    Haha, nobody is voting for Louis XIV anymore! =)
    It seems that you REALLY don't like Louis XIV. What's wrong ? Did he ruin one of your ancestors ?
    Si vis pacem, para bellum (9 mm)

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Assur
      PS: Charlemagne not known

      Jesus Christ. Charlemagne, not known? Aargh!. I learned about him from just taking a basic western civ course. Sigh. basic history.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by asleepathewheel

        Jesus Christ. Charlemagne, not known? Aargh!. I learned about him from just taking a basic western civ course. Sigh. basic history.
        I'm glad to notice that the world is not limited to North America, in some American people's mind.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by asleepathewheel

          Jesus Christ. Charlemagne, not known? Aargh!. I learned about him from just taking a basic western civ course. Sigh. basic history.
          Actually I was referring to siredgar's post ( "clovis: not known, not French; charlemagne: ditto") but I guess my English isn't good enough to make myself understandable all the time

          BTW, according to our family tree I'm even a descendant of him
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          In een hoerekotje aan den overkant bennekik mijn bloemeke kwijt

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          • #35
            Originally posted by siredgar
            Haha, nobody is voting for Louis XIV anymore! =)
            He also smelled bad like all those Frenchies in the 18th century.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Alanus


              I'm glad to notice that the world is not limited to North America, in some American people's mind.

              What are you talking about, Charlemagne united the peoples of North America in the Holy American Empire in the 9th Century.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Assur


                Actually I was referring to siredgar's post ( "clovis: not known, not French; charlemagne: ditto") but I guess my English isn't good enough to make myself understandable all the time
                I figured that's what you meant. Unfortunately I agree, that many people don't know anything about history.

                Originally posted by Assur
                BTW, according to our family tree I'm even a descendant of him
                Wow, that is very cool Assur. Very cool. According to my family tree, I'm only descended from poor English and Swedish people, who fled their own countries, quite boring.

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                • #38
                  I'm not surprised that Napoleon wins the poll, but I'm surprised that Louis XIV / De Gaulle haven't any more voices. Do only 3 people here know they made great achievments for France (as well as bad achievments, but, oh well )
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                  • #39
                    Not even one person comments on my pithy observation? For shame.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by asleepathewheel

                      What are you talking about, Charlemagne united the peoples of North America in the Holy American Empire in the 9th Century.

                      Just to say that your knowledge is not limited to the names of the US Presidents, and that you seem to have some historical culture .

                      I doubt sometimes that American know what's happening outside the US when I read USA Today : note that it is usually the only paper distributed in hotels when I travel to the US, so maybe not the best choice.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Alanus
                        It seems that you REALLY don't like Louis XIV. What's wrong ? Did he ruin one of your ancestors ?
                        No, but I'm glad to not see any more additional votes for him and a couple of votes appearing for Joan of Arc. I sincerely believe that without her, there may not have been the French nation we see today. It could have been more of a fragmented assembly of states for a long period of time.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by siredgar


                          ... Joan of Arc. I sincerely believe that without her, there may not have been the French nation we see today. It could have been more of a fragmented assembly of states for a long period of time.
                          I can see your point and agree to some extent. But in this case, Joan is a Leader (in Civ3 sense), not THE leader/king/emperor of the civilization.
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                          • #43
                            Do you believe that the people who:


                            1. Overthrew one of the most lavish monarchies in history to start the French Revolution.

                            2. Gave the Americans the Statue of LIBERTY, the greatest symbol of freedom.

                            and

                            3. Created a firmly socialist economy based on liberty, equality, and brotherhood.


                            should be represented by a king or an emperor?
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                            • #44
                              Siredgar :
                              France can be ruled by a king or an emperor. Simply because in ca. 1020 years, monarchy lasted 850 years or so, empire 30 years or so (Napoleon + Napoleon 3), and the Republic less than 140 years. True, the French achievments in matters of liberty are good, but the French achievments in matters of despotism do match (absolute monarchy being the first modern despotism ever, with a good administration to relay efficiently the whims of the king anywhere)
                              "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                              "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                              "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                              • #45
                                Well, then you've answered my question.
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