Expansion Pack Civs (Part 4): A never-ending story?

[Alf115]

Old Civer, new Apolytoner, first post :

Spanish : 20
Vikings : 20
Portuguese : 20
Dutch : 20
Turks/Ottomans : 20
Maya : 20
Mongols : 20
Inca : 20

And thanks to all of you mod makers. it makes this game even more enjoyable

[Olimpiusz]

Alright guys, have fun counting them:

Spanish - 20
Arabs - 20
Celts - 20
Poles - 20
Slavs - 20
Inca - 20
Aksumite - 10
Mongols - 10
Vikings - 10
Portugese - 10

[davepy]

Hi, new poster here.

Spanish - 20
Canadians - 20
Koreans - 20
Vikings - 20
Mongols - 10
Austrailians - 10
Apache - 10
Tibetans - 10

[jasev]

Originally posted by Olimpiusz
Aksumite - 10

Ejem... please forgive my ignorance, Olimpiusz, but...

¿who are/were the Aksumite?

[S. Kroeze]

Originally posted by orange
Dear {insert random deity here}, please someone bump Byzantines out of the top 16. There is NO reason to have Greeks Romans and Byzantines in this game.



Personally I don't like the Polynesians either, but I'd prefer anything to the Byzantines. Same with Hebrew...should not be in the XP

Dear Orange,

I hope you still remember me! (we once discussed the Bolshevik revolution)
Why do you hold the Byzantine civilisation so much in contempt? I am rather surprised to find you airing such an ill-informed opinion! In the past your opinions used to make sense....

That someone doesn't acknowledge the importance of the Byzantine civilization is beyond my powers of comprehension. It shows he doesn't understand the denotation of the word 'civilization'.

The Byzantine empire lasted more than a thousand years(330-1453); do you know any other empire lasting so long? The empire was unified by
-one dominant religion: the Greek Orthodox Church, being its unique variety of Christianity
-one dominant language and literature, spoken by all members of the ruling elite; the literary language was an imitation of Classical Attic, the spoken language(Byzantine) differed as much from Classical Attic as Latin differs from Italian
-one unique style in architecture, painting and music every layman will immediately recognize; no one will ever confuse the Parthenon with the Hagia Sophia
-an ideology according to which the emperor was the representative of Christ on earth

Of course it is true that this civilization was a continuation of older civilizations, the Greek and Roman. But the old gods were forgotten and denied, while a foreign religion, originating from another world, was embraced as the unifying ideology dominating all aspects of human life. With it came many elements and ideas of Persian or Near Eastern origin.
And when such reasoning would be accepted there would be only about five civilizations in the entire history of mankind. Because the Roman civilization was a combination of Greek, Etruscan and Italic elements; the Classical Greek civilization was a combination of Dorian, Helladic, Egyptian and Mesopotamian elements; the Helladic civilization was triggered by the Minoans, while the Egyptian civilization was triggered by the Sumerians.

The influence of the Byzantine civilization and ideology can be traced to the present day. The Cold War could be described as a struggle between two ideologies: the Byzantine Orthodox, where the emperor rules supreme, and the Latin Catholic (maybe Protestant) where the individual is a lot more important. It also declares why during the Kosovo crisis the Russians and Greeks supported the Serbs.

Sincere regards,

S.Kroeze

[FALVES]

Well, here goes...

Portuguese - 20

Spanish - 20

Dutch - 20

Arab - 10

Mongols - 10

Celts - 5

[Selanne]

Spanish: 20

Incans: 20

Mongols: 20

Arabs: 20

Khmer: 10

Javanese: 10

Songhai: 10

Ethiopean: 10

[Thunderfire]

Spanish +20
Inca +20
Koreans +20
Turks +20
Phoenicians +20
Arab +20
Poles +10
Swedes +10
Mongols +10
Israelites +10

[Fredric Drum]

I hope it's not too late...


Dutch - 10 points
Mayans - 15 points
Incans - 15 points
Vikings - 20 points (of course)
Inuit - 5 points
Portuguese - 20 points
Polynesians - 10 points
Celts - 20 points
Venetians - 10 points (yeah, you heard me! )

Ok.. did I break any rules?? Don't think so, but you never know...


Fred

[Trifna]

little changing

After looking at it and reading further, I consider Aborigines as a division of other tribes. Their culture isn't distinctive enough compared to some others so I totally put them out. Even if they are geographically different, they are included in some others I think. Such as some African tribes from which they may come from initially (even if it was lonnnng ago, they stil are too culturally close to these cultures to me).



Aborigines 0 (-12)
Khmers 16 (+3)
Polynesians 16 (+2) (I consider that many Pacific tribes and even South American tribes (or close) are a derivative or even source of "Polynesians")
Hebrews/Jews 15
Arabs 17 (+1)
Spanish 17 (+1)
Mongol 16
Celts 16 (+1)
Viking 16 (+1)
Algonquiens 15 (they are the other (very distinct) cultural type of native Amerindians with Iroquois. I include Inuits and lots of other pacific/pacifist groups in Algonquiens)
Phoenicians/Carthage 15 (+3)

[abbamouse]

Incas 20
Turks 20
Byzantine 10
Aborigines 20
Eskimos/Aleuts 20
Mongols 5
Ethiopia/Abyssinia 20
Swedes 20
Arabs 20
Ukrainians 5

[Trifna]

About the realistic value of this poll

Wanted to point out something: a lot, if not majority, of people are voting here without knowing the subject. They aren't necessarily historically correct, nor culturally correct or else since they do not know the debate nor the civilisations.

The consequence to this is that we have more partisanism, more divisions in civs (Maya, Inca, Turks, Arabs, Byzantines...). This is why I think that anyone who would like to use the poll afterwards should first think to make some cleaning a little, so he really see what works. (like for making a mod, puting the first 16 choices would be little silly in my personal opinion).

[Lord Cannager]

hey yall, im a buddy of jdd2007

-Minnesota Vikings 20
ok, ok, jd, -Hebrews/Israelis 20
-Arabs 20
-Spanish 18
-Polynesians 20
-Scots 20
-Celts 20
-Native Americans 2
-Huns 20

[thinkingamer]

SoutheastAsians (Thai/Vietnam) 20
Arabs 20
Spanish 20
Korean 20
Mongol 20
Autro-Hungarians 20
Turks-Ottomans 20
Ethiopians 10
Inca 10

[siredgar]

How can you leave out the Spanish?

Anyone who doesn't include the Spanish on their expansion wish list should have their list invalidated in my opinion. It just shows they are completely illogical.

****The expansion pack MUST have the following: Spanish, Mongols, Vikings, and Koreans.

A rule should be that if most people have never heard of them, they shouldn't be included! For example, I don't think you should put the Hittites and Khmer ahead of any of these four. I know that many of you Apolyton freaks know of these civilizations very well, but trust me they'll never make it to the expansion pack, so save your time!

Humbly yours,

Sir Edgar