Why Poland SHOULD be included in one of the official sets

[Mankind]

Maybe it's not about "why poland SHOULD(...)" [yes it SHOULD(...) ]


Wow I already feel here like in home in Poland

[Footie Mad]

Pithorr, that drinking smiley is just to cool

[Leppersson]

Originally posted by Mankind
Maybe it's not about "why poland SHOULD(...)" [yes it SHOULD(...) ]


Wow I already feel here like in home in Poland

Yes guys, have you realise we stayed alone here...

[MagyarCrusader]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression that the Hussar originated from Hungary in the 15th century, and the Winged Hussar was the Polish varient used 2 centuries later. What was the difference between the two, besides the obvious "wings".

[Mankind]

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression that the Hussar originated from Hungary in the 15th century, and the Winged Hussar was the Polish varient used 2 centuries later. What was the difference between the two, besides the obvious "wings".

In a way you have rights ...

but

Hussars as armed formation was used for first once by Poland.

O and 'wings' ; Polish former hussars more effective from Hungarian

But what this has common with this thread ?

[LoD]

MagyarCrusader: Possibly the only similarity could be the English name . BTW, the hussar formation appeared in Poland around 1500, and was originally a type of light cavalry (had become later "upgraded" to heavy).
Anyway, the topic of hussars (or winged husars, whatever you call them) has been raised a propos the Polish UU debate. And you really can't argue with the following - the husar is the most known "unique" Polish formation.

LoD

[MagyarCrusader]

And you really can't argue with the following - the husar is the most known "unique" Polish formation.

Most encyclopedia's mention the Hussars formation originating from Hungary, so I don't know if Poland can call that unique. Even in Age of Kings Conqueror edition, they cite Hungary as the origin of Hussars. Funny thing though is the Hussars in the games have the wings, and I never read about Hungarian Hussars having them.

[Leppersson]

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader
Most encyclopedia's mention the Hussars formation originating from Hungary, so I don't know if Poland can call that unique. Even in Age of Kings Conqueror edition, they cite Hungary as the origin of Hussars. Funny thing though is the Hussars in the games have the wings, and I never read about Hungarian Hussars having them.

Uuuuhhh!!! What a stubborn guy...
The difference is not in a name (let it origin from Hungarian, maybe Turks...), but tactics and weapons used. Polish Husaria was a breaking weapon, like Panzers during WWII and was charging in close order, rather unique for a cavlry of that period. They were also using short rifles and pistols.
BTW: They rather didn't use those wings in fight, it was a kind of parade uniform...

[MagyarCrusader]

I'm not being stubborn, I am asking questions. I didn't know there were differences and thats why I am posting. I didn't know Husaria used pistols. Hussars used sabres.

[LoD]

MagyarCrusader: Well, encyclopedias can be an uncertain knowldegde soruce - mine for example doesn't say a thing about Hungarian hussars . Anyway, a typical Polish hussar was armed with a spear, a type of sabre and 2 pistols (as Leppersson points out). As mentioned earlier in this thread, the wings actually had two practical uses - one was a psychological effect (imagine the sound a thousand of those had produced when a unit of hussars was chargin - actually the Mongols thought at first that hussars were demons ), and as a means of defence against lariats.
Like I've said - the only similirity is probably the name. As I've mentioned before, the Polish hussars were originally light cavalry, but then evolved and completely changed their profile.
A sidenote on the AoK issue - as I've stated in this thread (a propos some posters questoning the breaking of the Enigma code by the Polish scientitsts ), I would be careful before citing Microsoft as a knowledge source .

LoD

[pithorr]

Leppersson is right, LoD.
Polish hussars were not using those wings. It's just a 19th century myth. It was a part of parade uniform.

[VetLegion]

there were also hussars in croatia, so

If it wasn't for Poland in 1683, you'd probably be a sex slave of some Ottoman basha.

sure, you did all the work, while we had a picnick here. you can see the results of our picnick on the shape of croatia on any map.

[Fidel]

vetlegion, balkan nationalism is nothing in comparison to what you will hear from our polish friends. at least we do not believe all we hear in the school...sometimes

[Martinus]

Originally posted by LaRusso
vetlegion, balkan nationalism is nothing in comparison to what you will hear from our polish friends. at least we do not believe all we hear in the school...sometimes

Well, you DID believe the Goebbels/Mussolini propaganda about Polish cavalry charging tanks in WWII

[Martinus]

Originally posted by VetLegion
there were also hussars in croatia, so

Well, the fact that hussars or similar formations could have been used in few countries does not discount hussars as a potential CSU for Poland, simply because Polish hussars were probably used most effectively. The same goes for the Egyptian war chariot and Babilonian bowmen CSU - other nations had such units as well, only these mentioned used them most remarkably.

sure, you did all the work, while we had a picnick here. you can see the results of our picnick on the shape of croatia on any map.

You're right. The comment about "sex slaves" is like the all-too-known "We saved your asses in WWII".

However it has to be said that the Polish army was instrumental in the victory of Vienna in 1683. It is worth mentioning because quite recently I was speaking with a Swedish friend who fancies himself as 17th century military expert and he had no idea about the Polish particupation, not too mention instrumental one, during the battle of Vienna