Expansion Pack Civs (Part 3): Just one more...

[Blaupanzer]

I've already voted, but had a thought. If folks want to go with the original civs, what about the legendary ones, Atlantis, Mu, and Lem. Also, the Incan civ is said by archeologists to be built on the irrigation and fortification work of a previous civ. These are all "ancient," some older than 4000 BC. Who really built the original sphinx 10,000 years ago? Maybe for these civs, the player could get a head start, but all the cities would have only symbols for names.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Locutus
Paiktis,
Thanks, I was still waiting for someone to make that joke I usually don't care much for Eurovision but this (next?) year I'll be watching, at least to the voting part...

I know it was totally lame! But I couldn't resist

BTW, great idea Locutus

I think the results show that Firaxis didn't include two of the most anticipated civs. But I'll stop know or I will be my self condemned to the whining croud (not that I haven't been accused of being a whiner on the forums before )

[Skanky Burns]

I might cast my vote too

Mongols 20
Aborigines 20
Vikings 20
Celts 20
Goths 20
Swedes 20
Vietnamese 20
Australians 20

[Marcus Agrippa]

Hmm... let's see what we have so far:

1. Mongols- Built a huge empire, but didn't add a whole lot of culture to the world.
2. Spanish- Very important... the entire "Hispanic" world exists with its current culture because of Spain.
3. Arabs- Important... spread Islam from Spain to the Spice Islands.
4. Vikings- So-so... great explorers and conquerors, but rather minimal contributions to culture at large.
5. Inca- Not very important... the Incas never really had an effect on the world outside of the Andes region of S. America.
6. Turks/Ottomans- Important... the nemisis of Europe for years. I think they should just be the "Turks", since that would include both Seljuks and Ottomans.
7. Phoenicians/Carthaginians- An civ that influenced the Mediterranean and Rome... quite important
8. Maya- Important in their own region, influenced Aztecs, but not much else
9. Dutch- Almost as important as Spain...
10. Celts- Excellent early Europeans... could also include Irish and Scots
11. Hebrew/Israelis- Very important to the religious world, becoming base for Islam and Christianity, but not politically important
12. Portuguese- Very important, but could be bunched in with Spain
13. Ethiopians/Aksumites- In my opinion, the Ethiopians should replace the Zulus in the main pack... the Zulu kingdom only existed for a few generations during the 19th century, while Ethiopia was a great African civfrom Roman times onwards.
14. Polynesians- Nah... never really had a great influence.
15. Koreans- A fairly important civ that managed to remain indepedent from its huge neighbor China for hundreds of years
16. Byzantines- A very important civ that literally saved Europe from Islam during the dark ages... still, the Byzantines were culturally very Greek, and politically the Byzantine Empire was simply a continuation of the Roman Empire in the East. Therefore I don't think it needs a separate civ... it could be represented by Greece or Rome.

[dainbramaged13]

GET THE SOUIX IN THE 16!!!!!

EVERYONE THE SOUIX ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOME OF TEH CIVS UP THERE IMO AND THEY WOULD PROVIDE MUCH MORE BALANCE IN NA ON A WORLD MAP!!!!!

also, locutus, on a related note, when you send this info to firaxis, if you do, dont just send the top 16 of course... send at least the top 32, if not the whole list. DOnt just send a link to the forum though, a good printed copy, or at least on attachement in spreadsheet form, if either is possible, would be good, either of which I would be willing to do if i had the time... I think the printed copy of 'the list' attachement was very essential for the inclusion of our ideas into the game, and if we want our input to count, we must do the same for this also.

just my $0.02

[Abendua Hogeitasei]

My votes:

Spanish 20
Arabs 20
Turks 20
Portuguese 20
Inca 20
Maya 20
Vikings 20
Phoenicians 20

[lockstep]

Originally posted by Marcus Agrippa
14. Polynesians- Nah... never really had a great influence.

I think that Australia and the southeast of Asia should be represented by at least one civ. I voted for the Polynesians because they settled the Pacific archipelagos 3000 years ago, having only canoes at their command. (Suggested reading: Jared Diamond, 'Guns, Germs and Steel', chapter 16.) Yeah, they never had a great influence on other civs, but this is also true for the Iroquois. (Note to Ribannah: I second the inclusion of the Iroquois in Civ3. )

16. Byzantines- A very important civ that literally saved Europe from Islam during the dark ages... still, the Byzantines were culturally very Greek, and politically the Byzantine Empire was simply a continuation of the Roman Empire in the East. Therefore I don't think it needs a separate civ... it could be represented by Greece or Rome.

Technically, the Byzantines are an 'offspring'-civ, but a very important one. Let them be in Civ3 (that is, if an expansion pack includes 16 civs, which I doubt).

Otherwise, great post, Marcus Agrippa.

[ml_4da3]

Vikings 20
Koreans 20
Swedes 20
Cubans 20
Annam/Vietnam 20
Mongol 20
Maya 20
Spannish 20

[Stefu]

I think that Australia and the southeast of Asia should be represented by at least one civ.

Javans, JAVANS, JAVANS! Javans 0wn j00! Suggested reading: "Millennium : A History of the Last Thousand Years" by Felipe Fernandez - Armesto. It's chock full of interesting information, not only the Javans, who *so* deserve to be in Civ3 more than couple of scruffy Polynesians. They, at the least, had the sufficient attitude - in one letter, scribe of Javan king exalted "China and India kowtow at His Majesty's feet, and rest of the world is ready to show proper respect to him."

[lockstep]

Originally posted by Stefu

Suggested reading: "Millennium : A History of the Last Thousand Years" by Felipe Fernandez - Armesto. It's chock full of interesting information, not only the Javans, who *so* deserve to be in Civ3 more than couple of scruffy Polynesians.

Didn´t I see this book in a bookstore yesterday? Okay, if a german translation is available at a reasonable price, I´ll buy it.

[lockstep]

Felipe Fernandez-Armesto: 'Millennium : A History of the Last Thousand Years' (german translation, paperback). Munich, September 2001. Soon I´ll know everything about the Javans.

[EnochF]

My votes

Arabs 15
Celts 5
Dutch 5
Hebrew 20
Inca 10
Korean 20
Maya 5
Mongols 5
Phoenicians 10
Scots 5
Sioux 10
Spanish 15
Turks 10
Vietnamese 5
Vikings 20

^_^

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Locutus
... we know virtually nothing about the Olmec: finding city names or leaders or whatever is practically impossible - believe me, I tried!)

Here are some Olmec kings:

Po Ngbe, Yo Pe, Ki, Kele

And yes, these names sound half Chinese, half African.

A few cities:

San Lorenzo, La Venta, Chalcatzigo, Tuxtla, Ahuelican, Tikal (of course the names aren't original)

There are indications that what remained of the Shang dynasty fled overseas and started (or overtook) a kingdom in South America around the same time (1200 BC) that Nubians may have landed on the continent and also had their influence on the Olmec culture (and racial characteristics). If they met, it would make sense that the Chinese and Nubians mixed and formed the ruling class together.

Edit: here's a map, hard to say how accurate

[TCO]

please add my votes:

Austrians: 20
Vikings: 20
Turks: 20
Arabs:1
Mongols: 1
Virginians:20
Confederates: 20 (Confederate States of America)
Apaches: 20
Phonecians/Carthaginians: 14
Poodles: 1
Kittycats: 1
Washington Redskins:1
Native Americans (but I prefer they be called American Indians): 20
Northwestern Wildcats:1

[TCO]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
Yes hell. Why is everybody so negative about America, the USA and the Americans?? I love them. If it hadn't been for them (maybe) my country and many others would still be ruled by nazi minihitlers :banned: . Nooorgeee! So quit being so damn eurocentric you guys.

What country are you from?