Expansion Pack Civs (Part 3): Just one more...

[Sabre2th]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
Yes hell. Why is everybody so negative about America, the USA and the Americans?? Hææ? I love them. If it hadn't been for them (maybe) my country and many others would still be ruled by nazi minihitlers. Nooorgeee! So quit being so damn eurocentric you guys.

[S. Kroeze]

Most people identify a civilization with a nationality; I'm not against a national element in the game, but everyone should understand the enormous difference separating these concepts.

Here is a list of civilisations one could defend as reasonably accurate -though still a matter of opinion:
1. Sumerian/Babylonian
2. Egyptian
3. Indus/Dravidian
4. Chinese
5. Greek
6. Roman
7. Mayan/Meso-American
8. Inca/Andes
9. Byzantine/Orthodox
10. Latin/Catholic
11. Islamic/Near Eastern
12. Germanic/Protestant
13. Russian/Slav
14. Indian/Hindu
15. Japanese
16. Tibetan
17. South East Asian
18. sub-Saharan civilization??

Of course every list is open to debate. As one should acknowledge its religion that identifies all civilizations! One could still argue the existence of a Celtic, Persian or Turkish civilization. But that would be the limit. McNeill, the authority who more or less introduced the concept of civilization in historiography, recognizes even less: Mesopotamian, Egyptian, merging into Near Eastern, (3)Indian, Chinese, Japanese and (6)Western, which he only divides into Greek Orthodox and Latin Catholic.
Those asking for Hunnish or Mongol civilazations absolutely miss the point: those were the barbarians!

I would gladly have given all my 160 points to the Sumerians, who were definitely 'THE CIVILISATION'! Or have split them equally between the Indus, Byzantine and Sumerian civilisations. Yet I will abide with the rules -though it's a complete waste of time of course!

My points:
Sumerians 20
Indus/Dravidians 20 (Important: this civilisation is not identical to the Indian civilisation. It was in about 1500BC destroyed by charioteering Aryans. Ribannah will explain why they didn't invade on horseback, though they had mastered Horseback riding)
Mayan 20
Inca/Andes 20
Byzantine/Orthodox 20
Latin/Catholic 20
Islamic/Near Eastern 20
Tibetan 10
South East Asian 10

I would like to draw attention to the fact that I supported almost exclusively non-European civilisations. Nor did I support my 'own' nation, because there never was a 'Dutch civilisation'! Yet I live in Europe and am a real snob.
Some people's emotional stability seems at stake when these issues are discussed....

[Tiberius]

Locutus, can I (slightly) change my vote?
Apache -5
Sioux -5
(only one native american civ is enough)
Inca +10

Sorry for your extra work.

[boca]

Here is my list
Mayas 20
Spanish 20
Incas 20
Caribbeans 10
Esquimos 10
Vikings 10
Mongols 10
Persians 10

[General Ludd]

Scots -5

Inuit +5

[Orioles3386]

Swedish-20
Viking-20
Byzantine-20
New Foundland!-20

[Chief Gnome]

Mongols 20
Spanish 10
Vikings 20
Arabs 15
Turks 20
Thai 10
Incas 15
Sioux 10
Ethiopians 20
Poles 20

[laurentius]

160 points total?

If so, here's my list

Arabs 20
Incas 35
Etruscans 20
Mayans 35
Khmer 30
And for my own people, for never getting any votes in the EuroVision song contest : Finns 20 points

[XarXo]

My votes !

I don't used "historical accurancy" to the names to make them easier:

- Catalans (The Crown of Aragon) 20
- Incans (The Birú) 20
- Castillians/Spanish (Castilla/Spain) 20
- Ethiopians (Ethiopia) 20

- Siamese (Siam Empire) 10
- Portuguese (Portugal) 10
- Malians?? (Mali) 10
- Polynesians (Hawaii) 10
- Swagilians (Nigeria) 10
- Mayans (Maya Empire) 10
- Arabians (Arabia) 10
- Turkish (Otoman Empire) 10

[Wernazuma III]

Please fix:

Khmer -5
Ethiopians +5
Etruscans -5
Hittites -5
Polish -5
Mali +15

[hetairoi22]

Originally posted by laurentius
160 points total?

If so, here's my list

Arabs 20
Incas 35
Etruscans 20
Mayans 35
Khmer 30
And for my own people, for never getting any votes in the EuroVision song contest : Finns 20 points

Max 20 points per civ.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by hetairoi22


Max 20 points per civ.

ooops

Arabs 20
Incas 20
Etruscans 20
Mayans 20
Khmer 20
Finns 20 points

[Saint Marcus]

Dutch 20
Spanish 20
Incas 20
Goths 20
Vikings 15
Mongols 15
Phoenicians 10
Arabs 10
Huns 10
Burgondians 5
Vandals 5
Ethiopians 5
Sioux 4
Texans 1

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by S. Kroeze
Most people identify a civilization with a nationality; I'm not against a national element in the game, but everyone should understand the enormous difference separating these concepts.

Here is a list of civilisations one could defend as reasonably accurate -though still a matter of opinion:
1. Sumerian/Babylonian
2. Egyptian
3. Indus/Dravidian
4. Chinese
5. Greek
6. Roman
7. Mayan/Meso-American
8. Inca/Andes
9. Byzantine/Orthodox
10. Latin/Catholic
11. Islamic/Near Eastern
12. Germanic/Protestant
13. Russian/Slav
14. Indian/Hindu
15. Japanese
16. Tibetan
17. South East Asian
18. sub-Saharan civilization??

Of course every list is open to debate.

Those asking for Hunnish or Mongol civilazations absolutely miss the point: those were the barbarians!

I agree with almost all of Kroeze accurate post, with the only exception IMHO about the need to have the Mongols *in* the game, because they are the true barbarians, but they don't played a rule as limited as Civ III will reduce barbarians in game.

My vote:

Mongols 15
Sumerian 15
Mayan/Meso-American 15
Inca/Andes 15
Byzantine/Orthodox 20
Latin/Catholic 15
Islamic/Near Eastern 15
Tibetan 20
South East Asian 15
sub-Saharian 15

[S. Kroeze]

Originally posted by Adm.Naismith


I agree with almost all of Kroeze accurate post, with the only exception IMHO about the need to have the Mongols *in* the game, because they are the true barbarians, but they don't played a rule as limited as Civ III will reduce barbarians in game.

Dear Admiral,

Thank you for your kind words and moral support!
Are you sure the wings of the barbarians will be clipped?
It was my impression they will have more importance than in CivII, at least I hope so.

Sincere regards,

S.Kroeze