Spoiler Thread for AU 203

[jshelr]

Olaf wrote, "My second game was lost as well. I think I have to focus more on building a preventive military force than expanding at fastest possible speed."

There is no one right way. But, given the unusual no-attack rules, I tried to grovel, pay all extortion demands, keep RoP's in place, make MPP pacts, buy tech, make deals that were good for the AI, and generally act like a wimp. It worked.

[Jawa Jocky]

Originally posted by BRC
I was wondering if anyone had to deal with the "suprise".

I did.

I was going to panzer blitz and I even saved my GA for the occasion (well I didn't try to save it but being behind in tech and having no leaders hurt my Wonder building). After discovering refining I realized I needed a new plan. Actually I knew this was going to happen because its already been mentioned in the spoiler, but I forced myself to stick with the original plan.

Artillery, infantry, and left over upgraded calvary worked just fine.

[Bluefrog]

Originally posted by jshelr
There is no one right way. But, given the unusual no-attack rules, I tried to grovel, pay all extortion demands, keep RoP's in place, make MPP pacts, buy tech, make deals that were good for the AI, and generally act like a wimp. It worked.

I went a slightly different route, and frankly, I'm surprised I stayed out of war until I was in Communism. I avoided ROPs unless I specifically wanted to aid the Chinese or Persians beat on each other, and I only signed one MPP the entire game. I did make deals that helped the AI, though, primarily luxury trades (for what the AI offered, not the max I could get).

I'll put up a full AAR in the next couple of days; few screenshots, but oh well. I just need to find some time to claim more Chinese territory, and I should have the Domination victory in hand. Never played Dom/Conquest, so it's a trip...I've got to be close to the required land mass. Persians? What Persians?

[Jawa Jocky]

I started a massive build up of artillery and infantry. I was trying to decide in what order to attack when an opportunity presented itself. Persia and China declared war on each other. On the same turn huge armies from Persia and China entered German territory. After a few more turns their Calvary began a bloody battle in the heart of the German Y, while there massive infantry armies slowly marched toward each other. An evil plan began brewing in the mind of the German leader.

China was way to powerful for the small German nation, but Persia could be handled with a little help from some other nations. Germany and China signed an ROP. The floodgate was open and China was quick to use the new ROP. Chinese military units traveled quickly across German land and began attacking the Persian trespassers. After a few minutes of watching the battle I went and did some choices around the house. 10 minutes later I came back and found that all but 1 Persian unit was killed by the Chinese onslaught.

Germany now contacted its Russian neighbor for an ROP and alliance against Persia (so their ROP with Russia would be cancelled). Germany was able to take 5 Persian cities on the 1st turn. China and Russia razed a few on their turns and Persia’s fate was sealed. As the war waged on the Germany people became unhappy and the Germany leader made a terrifying discovery.

The ministry of Government Revolution was passed out drunk. The incompetent fool didn’t flip the revolution switch in the basement so Germany was still a Republic. He was executed for his failure but it was too late and the damage to great. The Germany leader was forced to retire in shame as the scandal brought his leadership to an end.

Cheating was frowned upon at Apolyton University and the price to pay was an “F” in BRC’s 203 course. Fortunately, expulsion from the University was avoided in this case. Since the cheating was accidental, well documented, and brought to the attention of the class by the cheater himself, Jawa was able to continue his academic career with only a black mark on his record.

[BRC]

The ministry of Government Revolution was passed out drunk. The incompetent fool didn’t flip the revolution switch in the basement so Germany was still a Republic. He was executed for his failure but it was too late and the damage to great. The Germany leader was forced to retire in shame as the scandal brought his leadership to an end.

Cheating was frowned upon at Apolyton University and the price to pay was an “F” in BRC’s 203 course. Fortunately, expulsion from the University was avoided in this case. Since the cheating was accidental, well documented, and brought to the attention of the class by the cheater himself, Jawa was able to continue his academic career with only a black mark on his record.

Don't worry. No black mark. You executed him. I raise your grade to a "D" and encourage you to tell us what would have happened.

It was still a good game.


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The island directly east of the start location (probably claimed by Babylon), should have all the rubber and all the oil you would need. I was wondering if anyone made an assault on this with Infantry and Artillery, so that they could build Panzers by the time they had Motorized Transportation.

[Dominae]

Originally posted by Jawa Jocky
As the war waged on the Germany people became unhappy and the Germany leader made a terrifying discovery.

Oops! I almost did this myself: I had all my Artillery lined up to bombard the heck out of the nearest Persian town when I remembered the course rules, and had to order them back home.

Jawa, if you have the saves from the previous turns, I'm sure there's no harm in going back and waiting for Communism to unleash your fury (although the timing might off at that point). You haven't learned anything about Communism yet!


Dominae

[Dominae]

Originally posted by BRC
The island directly east of the start location (probably claimed by Babylon), should have all the rubber and all the oil you would need. I was wondering if anyone made an assault on this with Infantry and Artillery, so that they could build Panzers by the time they had Motorized Transportation.

This was my plan 'A', until I realised that the Babs were worth more to me alive than dead: I was trading for two of their luxuries, and was getting around 300gpt for techs. No need to ruin a healthy trading relationship when other sources of Oil abound in enemy lands. The clincher is that I think Domination is triggered by controlling the entire big island alone. Thus a war with the Babs is ultimately unecessary.

So I concocted plans 'B' and 'C', and waited.

Again, great map for this scenario.


Dominae

[Jawa Jocky]

Originally posted by BRC

I encourage you to tell us what would have happened.


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The island directly east of the start location (probably claimed by Babylon), should have all the rubber and all the oil you would need. I was wondering if anyone made an assault on this with Infantry and Artillery, so that they could build Panzers by the time they had Motorized Transportation.

I had a lot of rubber so I was only short on oil. Persia took that island from Babylon and I was currently fighting a land war with Persia. Once the land war was finished I was going to use the units to take the island and get oil about the same time I discover MT.

I would have taken out Russia with Panzers and used the GA to build a massive army. Then an enormous ROP violation with China would cripple the Chinese and the rest would be a mop-up operation.

[Bluefrog]

Originally posted by BRC
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The island directly east of the start location (probably claimed by Babylon), should have all the rubber and all the oil you would need. I was wondering if anyone made an assault on this with Infantry and Artillery, so that they could build Panzers by the time they had Motorized Transportation.

Apparently you didn't read my earlier posts. Harumph!

Hee. I didn't use arty, but I swarmed that arctic rock with Infantry and a few Cavalry. The Babs had 4 coastal cities there, which fell to me, and later it was used as a staging point for warfare on the Babylonian mainland.

A question, though...what square mileage do we need for a domination victory on this size of a map? I've got to be close.

[Nor Me]

Originally posted by BRC
The island directly east of the start location (probably claimed by Babylon), should have all the rubber and all the oil you would need. I was wondering if anyone made an assault on this with Infantry and Artillery, so that they could build Panzers by the time they had Motorized Transportation.

In practice, you can either:

A) settle peacfully the oil across the inland sea when either Russia or England is conquered and so their former cities cultural borders are reduced.

B)Build up a cash reserve and discover (or buy,steal) Combustion, Mass Production and Motorised Transportation in 9 turns and so get 11 turns of Panzer building for your territory map.

I would not have chosen Germany for this scenario precisely because they might be too tempted to wait for Motorised Transportation before fighting (and so stay in Democracy.)

[Dominae]

Originally posted by Nor Me
I would not have chosen Germany for this scenario precisely because they might be too tempted to wait for Motorised Transportation before fighting (and so stay in Democracy.)

I would like to point out that Oil appears on the map far before Motorized Transportation is available. This leaves a lot of time to switch to Communism and secure a source. The fact that this reduces your research rate makes the decision all the more interesting. I debated long and hard precisely when to switch to Communism, and enjoyed it (as much as one can enjoy debates with oneself).


Dominae

[BRC]

Apparently you didn't read my earlier posts. Harumph!

Sorry Bluefrog... I could have sworn that I had read every post here. Don't know how I missed that one. My apologies.

A question, though...what square mileage do we need for a domination victory on this size of a map? I've got to be close.

I have no idea, but Dominae says that the big island is enough.

I'm glad that most everyone enjoyed this game. Who out there still has write-ups left?

BTW: How do you get "Originally posted by ____" to appear at the top of quotes?? Thanks.

[Bluefrog]

Originally posted by BRC


Sorry Bluefrog... I could have sworn that I had read every post here. Don't know how I missed that one. My apologies.



I have no idea, but Dominae says that the big island is enough.

I'm glad that most everyone enjoyed this game. Who out there still has write-ups left?

BTW: How do you get "Originally posted by ____" to appear at the top of quotes?? Thanks.

No worries, BRC, hehe. I like to pretend-whine sometimes.

As for the "Originally posted by," I just click the "reply with quote" option on the message I want to quote.

[Dominae]

Originally posted by BRC
I'm glad that most everyone enjoyed this game. Who out there still has write-ups left?

Almost everyone, I should think; I've only read around 3 complete AARs so far.

As for winning by Domination, I'm not 100% sure it happens when you control the big continent. I really do hope I'm right, though.


Dominae

[BRC]

Originally posted by Bluefrog


No worries, BRC, hehe. I like to pretend-whine sometimes.

As for the "Originally posted by," I just click the "reply with quote" option on the message I want to quote.

I understand. Sorry about that. Thanks for the help, too.

Originally posted by Dominae
Almost everyone, I should think; I've only read around 3 complete AARs so far.

I know. I think that some people are scared. I was for the longest time. I didn't start posting until I could play Monarch.
HEY!! IF YOU PLAYED CHIEFTAIN, I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT.