Spoiler Thread for AU 203

[joncnunn]

I haven't played the Germans yet, but I've seen the German AI kick other AIs butt in one of my games with Panzers in my first Civ III game.

In a more recently though, the Russian AI whooped up on the German AI in the early middle ages while Germany still hadn't finished REXing. (About 60% of that landmass was closer to Berlin than Moscow. Catherine ended up building her FP in Berlin, a pretty good location.)

[laissez-faire]

Question for the AU modders

Great job on the mod. A much more realistic game with a much more competitive AI! However, when editing airlift flags, were settlers deliberately or accidentally left out? Would be nice for them to travel by air so as to reduce micromanagement.

[Nor Me]

Thanks for the support, everyone. No advice though.

I was doing quite well against the Babylonians with infantry+arty vs MI and MA but in the end China did the sensible thing despite an MPP and being gracious.

[Nor Me]

If that minimap shows the Babylonians doing well:

[Nor Me]

I'm tempted to resit this with trickey for revenge but I've wasted far too much time on this one (I may have left it on for a few hours once but that still doesn't explain 15 hours. Where did I get the time?)

China used nukes first against me. I've seen this happen with a much weaker civ I'm about to destroy but never with a stronger one.

um. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY THE AI RESEARCHED CHEMISTRY BEFOR BANKING? I don't.

[Dominae]

Originally posted by Nor Me
um. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY THE AI RESEARCHED CHEMISTRY BEFOR BANKING? I don't.

Are you asking for the real reason, or just wondering why the AI was coded this way in the first place? I'll assume the latter. My answer is: why not? Sometimes it just pays to beeline for Military Tradition. Chemistry is also a gateway to 4 of the era's final techs, making it pretty important.


Dominae

[Thoth]

Originally posted by Nor Me


They do. I've seen it. In my game China has 8 armies of course.

These may not all be from leaders. I have seen the AI build the Military Acadamy. I don't know for sure if it will then build armies as I didn't finish off that game. (UP is what I aim for, but it gets a bit dull once you get there )

[Nor Me]

Originally posted by Dominae


Are you asking for the real reason, or just wondering why the AI was coded this way in the first place? I'll assume the latter. My answer is: why not? Sometimes it just pays to beeline for Military Tradition. Chemistry is also a gateway to 4 of the era's final techs, making it pretty important.


Dominae

I'm not saying it wasn't a sensible move on the part of China. The result speaks for itself. The leading AI should do it more often.
It's just that I've never seen it before and it definitely contradicts earlier research done by alexman on this subject. I want to know why. China behaved more sensibly than I've grown used to. Well, at least to begin with.

[Dominae]

Did any other civs already have Banking at the time? I'm thinking that maybe the AI prioritizes techs based on who has them or not, in addition to all the factors alexman discovered.

alexman, did you test for this?


Dominae

[ducki]

Possible Lucky Break!

So, my war with China only gained me the one leader that went into an Army and won a battle.

Rome and Russia made peace about 8 turns early(yay!) as did England(double yay!) freeing me to make peace and at least not waste all of my GA on Knights(triple yay!)

However, China won Nottingham, London, and one other city whose name I can't read right now.

When Persia declared war on China a while later, though, this time I let them pass, though without an RoP, as they are too greedy.

Persia took Nottingham, opening up a (very) small piece of land between Nottingham and China's nearest ex-English town. I just happened to have a settler left over from my Chinese War, so off he went, to claim territory.
Originally, there was only a 1-tile-wide "T" of land that included the tile where New Berlin sits, the tiles West, SouthWest, and South of N.B. and the tile NorthEast of N.B.

This was where my treasury of about 1800 gold came in - Brandenburg and N.B. both rushed Temples and Libraries before starting their Barracks, resulting in a wonderful border expansion to a full 9-tile town! N.B. expands again in 1 turn, hopefully to claim that mountain with Iron.

Persia's culture is pretty high, but I'm hoping the distance factor will bring Nottingham under my wing soon.

I have another 2 settlers in production, hopefully to claim the rest of the unbordered lands between England and China.

21 turns to Bach's, debating whether to sell MTheory or not.

[Nor Me]

Originally posted by Dominae
Did any other civs already have Banking at the time?

No.

[laissez-faire]

Nice work, ducki. I can almost speak from experience in saying that New Berlin will play such a key role in your upcoming industrial age wars.

[jshelr]

Well, I've been to patient and built a good civ retaining all the original cities. We managed to snag an oil resource. However, the damn AI have all gone to democracy. they are researching / trading at a pace faster than one tech per five turns. Very unusual. I can buy tech at about one per five, but I'm not catching up.

Over the weekend, I'll try to get the military pot boiling again, but I can see this one is going to end up in nuke territory. Ugh. I wonder if my buddy Mao would like to join in a little blitz of Persia.........

[trickey]

My second game is going much better than my first. Once again, I am playing on monarch. Early on, I foucused much more on developping my cities rather than just build as much cites as quick as I can.

I managed to get the Great Library, which let me run 0% science for a fair little while.

I have just discovered democracy, and Mao and I are starting to leave everyone (including Persia) in the dust tech-wise.

[Chemical Ollie]

This is my first CIV3 game in 2 months, so I have done some stupid strategic mistakes and fallen behind half an age or so. Playing on monarch, I forgot to use more than one warrior to explore, forgot to cut off the chokepoints, built too much early culture instead of REXing, forgot to micromanage the research slider, did not have a fixed plan for my research path and did not do any proactive diplomacy.

Kamerad Karl Marx of the Arbeiters settled on the river where he emerged. The next 3 cities were build to the southwest to cut off the Romans who had settled by the gem mountains (perhaps Ceasar found a settler in a hut). Then the Arbeiters settled the south east leg, starting in the luxury garden and moving south until Russia and Persia were in the way. 2 cities were put around the Roman outpost to make it flip, but without success. Instead, an English city flipped despite that my closest city had no culture at all. The luck did not last long, as 10 riders emerged from nowhere and rolled over the poor spearmen in the 4 cities the Arbeiters had on the southeast leg before Chairman Mao, the great leader of the people, would finally talk to his tutor Marx and make peace. The Arbiters had lost all their horsemen and swordsmen in the fight. Revenge will come... Karl Marx finally settled the cold land in the north and built fishing harbors to feed the people there.

Xerxes decided Russia was not worth to live and razed half of it while conquering the rest. This gave the Arbeiters an opportunity to squeeze in culture bombs on the whole stretch of the southeast leg, including the fur farm. Karl Marx quickly rushed libraries in the new cities to spread the word of "Das Kapital" to the uneducated Persians. It is too early to know if they will understand.

It is now 1350 AD and the newly built banks is the hot topic in the Arbeiter cities. There must be capitalism before there can be communism, as Karl Marx has written. China and Persia are strong powers who will discover the paradise of communism any time now. Will the Arbeiters get revenge for the misdeeds done by China in the past? Will they utilize the power of Panzers to unite the workers of the world? Time will tell...