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**Caesar the Great** · February 6, 2000, 19:07

3650 BC Monarchy, City
3450 BC Writing, Pottery, 50 Gold
3200 BC Currency
3100 BC Map Making, 50 Gold
2950 BC 50 Gold
2900 BC Construction
2750 BC Trade
2650 BC Mysticism, 50 Gold
2600 BC Literacy, 50 Gold
2500 BC 25 Gold
2300 BC Colossus
2200 BC Mathematics

If you want to continue this game for me email me. I don't have time to continue. I'll post the rest of the log when I finish.

**Sten Sture** · February 8, 2000, 01:11

I edited in the remainder of my log...

Adam - In the MGE version I found it beneficial to save up four techs before contacting the AI so I could gift them up to enthusiastic, trade maps and get an alliance, then request a gift back. The following turn they will be back to uncooperative, so wait until you are back to a decent tech advantage before contacting them again. Also make sure you rush-buy the most expensive thing you can before you make contact so your cash position appears low.

**Sten Sture** · February 9, 2000, 18:56

Did anyone else play this in MGE?

And how about Feb 16 for the next map?

**crowatbitemedotcom** · February 10, 2000, 12:28

Sten - I use MGE. You still beat me by 30some years though. My main problem now (now that I've solved my trade problem) is getting my population bigger earlier, I was one of the last to size 21.

**crowatbitemedotcom** · February 10, 2000, 14:21

My diplomacy style is usually: demand gold in the early game, occasionally demand gold later (if I know they're weak and/or far away). I'll give away any tech when the AI demands it unless it's a wonder I'm working on. I'll also give away 3-4 techs at a time to get maps and I often give away tech to the weakest AIs in the hope that they might harrass the stronger ones (but I don't know if that works or not). I never give money but I might change that rule based on some of the successes I've read about in the logs.

Your idea of building Darwins later on in the game is an interesting one, I think I'll look into it in my next OCC games.

**Caesar the Great** · February 10, 2000, 17:01

quote:

Originally posted by Sten Sture on 02-09-2000 05:56 PM
Did anyone else play this in MGE?

And how about Feb 16 for the next map?

Sounds good...

**Sten Sture** · February 11, 2000, 01:18

crow - the big differences in our logs, I think, are the alliances that I got and was able to keep - like the English. I noticed that they broke peace with you right away and I had them on my side the entire game. I wonder why - ??? I think my diplomacy style is improving, but I haven't played enough to know if I just got lucky or if my contact pattern works.

**Tom DeMille** · February 16, 2000, 01:52

Glad to see this thread at page 2. Page 1 is over 200k, which takes a while to load at modem speeds.

I've tried this map again a couple of times to see how I'd do if I knew where the other civs were from the get go. I'm pleased to say I managed a 1625 landingon my third attempt, two turns before Paul's. This gives me hope that given some luck (and some bad luck for Paul) someone else might win one of these fortnight competitions.

Here is my abreviated log for my regame:

2850 BC - Construction
2600 BC - Trade
2250 BC - Colossus
1450 BC - formed Republic
950 BC - size 12
850 BC - 1st trade route
800 BC - 2nd trade route
775 BC - 3rd trade route
750 BC - Copernicus' Observatory
700 BC - Sanitation
625 BC - Shakespeare's Theatre
350 BC - size 21
125 BC - Isaac Newton's College
25 BC - Democracy
260 AD - Refrigeration
400 AD - Darwin's Voyage
620 AD - Automobile
880 AD - Computers
1220 AD - Space Flight
1240 AD - Apollo Program
1610 AD - Launch
1625 AD - Landing

I found the AIs to be real research wimps this game. I kept giving all my tech away so the AIs would be researching something I didn't have. They developed about 5 techs amongs't them all game. Saved a couple of turns though on my rush to Space Flight when the English suddenly developed Monotheism and the Aztecs Gerilla Warfare. When I wasn't given a Space Flight prerequisite to research I was able to choose one of these. Trading with the AI that turn, I was right back on the road to Space Flight without loosing precious time.

**Scouse Gits** · February 16, 2000, 07:01

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Originally posted by Sten Sture on 02-09-2000 05:56 PM
And how about Feb 16 for the next map?

Sounds good to me - I hope we have a few more people this time round - gives me some slight chance of not coming in two decades after everyone else (who doesn't fall foul of Bararian hordes [still chuckling @ SS]).
Will the map be posted here?

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**Sten Sture** · February 16, 2000, 12:41

I have a map that is mostly done, I'll finish it up tonight (it is 8:30am here in California) and email it to Paul. If he is around it should be posted wihtin 24 hours.

**SCG** · August 29, 2000, 23:17

Not a whole lot to say on this game (now watch me write a disertation ). Great starting spot. Availability for techs to research was the biggest hold up - and i could have made some better choices along the way if i had remembered that would b e a problem earlier. For example, I bypassed flight several times, and I think it may have cost me 2 turns, since i got fusion power very early. I was stuck researching several of post-space flight techs pre-flight, and i was still able to easily get 2 turn techs while building the space ship, while buying modules outright. I had 8 freights, and didn't use a single 1, still built the ship in minimum time. I also held off researching literacy once and that delayed republic by 2 techs, when techs were slow in coming. That one error there was probably more than the 5 turns that Paul beat me by. As usual, I had to research feudalism, chivalry and leadership - haven't looked yet but I bet others were able to trade for those. I somehow managed to ally with 5 of the AI's this game, keeping 4 throughout (took me a while to make contact with a couple AI), and never was attacked by anything other than stray barb units, who never got close to the city (helped having all those starting units ) With all the mountains, i was able to dictate what terrain the barbs fought upon for the most part. Always had way too much gold because of it, and was able to buy all sorts of structures with greater ease. I just now realized i never sold my sewer system or aquaduct - i was never even close needing to do that. Thats about it for first thoughts.

Diety, 2.42
AC 1706AD

Monarchy: -3650
Republic: -925
Democracy: 60

Colossus: -1950
Cope's: -575
Shake's: -250
Ike's: 120
Darwin's: 560
Apollo: 1440

Trade routes: -1200, -975, -925

Trade: -2500
Cons: -3000
San: -425
Refr: 500
Auto: 840
Comp: 1140
SF: 1420

size 12: -725
size 21: -25

-3650 Monarchy, Home, eh? founded
-3500 hut, barb horse (killed it)
-3450 warrior
-3350 Writing
-3150 hut, NON archer
-3050 Currency
-3000 hut, Construction, English (mapmaking, share maps, peace, alliance)
-2800 French (pottery, share maps, peace)
-2750 size 3
-2700 WL
-2500 Trade, English (25 gp)
-2200 hut, NON horseman
-1950 Colossus, Seafaring, English (50 gp), French (alliance, 150 gp)
-1850 caravan
-1750 caravan
-1600 Mystism
-1550 caravan
-1450 English (25 gp), french - nil
-1250 library, Horseback Riding, Celts (Warrior Code, peace, alliance, share maps, 50 gp)
-1200 beads (demanded, 136) to Orleans
-1150 trireme, Aztecs (peace, alliance, 150 gp) (wow, allied with 4 AIs ) - doh, horse caught a ride with the trireme
-1100 temple, Literacy, Aztecs (share maps)
-975 coal (undemanded, 80) to teotithuacan (cool coal changed demand to gems, have to wait 2 turns though...)
-950 almost overdid it, #beakers went up significantly
-925 Republic, revolt, Republic founded, gems (demanded, 201) to Teotithuacan
-900 colosseum
-875 Philosophy (Mathmatics)
-850 aquaduct, tech dump, Celts (wheel, 50 gp), French (50 gp), Aztecs (cut off tech dump), English (50 gp)
-800 harbor,barb leader (150 gp)
-750 caravan, Astronomy
-725 size 12, cancel WL
-700 caravan
-675 hut (barb horseman) - my horsie dies
-650 caravan, Medicine, hut (iron working)
-600 caravan, barb leader (150 gp), copper (demanded, 346) to tenochtitlan (only needed 334 for next tech...) , Celts (100 gp), French (accept techs and run), Aztecs (accept techs and warn of patience), English (50 gp)
-575 Copernicus' Observatory, Banking
-525 caravan
-500 Engineering
-475 caravan
-425 caravan, Sanitation
-400 Celts (50 gp), English (50 gp) (need 10 more gp...), Aztecs (50 gp )
-375 sewer system, French (75 gp)
-325 caravan, University
-275 caravan, sell colosseum
-250 Shakespeare's Theater, WL
-225 Celts (100 gp), French (150 gp), Aztecs (Navigation, 50 gp), English (100 gp)
-200 Bank, Theory of Gravity
-175 sell temple
-150 university
-125 Chemistry
-75 caravan, french help repair chariot (wow, never had that happen before )
-50 Invention (polluted tiles already???)
-25 caravan, size 21 cancel WL
20 caravan, Democracy, Celts (share maps), Babylonians (peace, alliance, call my maps useless???, 100 gp)
French (share maps, warn of patience)
40 revolt
60 caravan, Democracy founded, Aztecs (bridge building, share maps) - doesn't anyone explore???
100 caravan, Celts (100 gp), Babylonians (cancel tech dump), French (warn of patience), English (polytheism, 100 gp) there - enough for ike's , Aztecs (cancel tech dump...) hope i have enough science...)
120 Isaac Newton's College
140 Economics
160 caravan
180 Explosives
200 Engineers
220 WL, Metalurgy
240 Engineers (darn - still shrunk)
260 Physics
280 stock exchange, French (50 gp)
300 Conscription
320 caravan, Aztecs (75gp)
340 Magnetism, Celts (100 gp)
360 caravan
380 Steam Engine
400 caravan, WL
420 Electricity
440 caravan
460 Feudalism
480 caravan, Aztecs (150 gp)
500 Refrigeration, spice (demanded, 360) to teotihuacan
520 Supermarket
540 Railroad
560 Darwin's Voyage (Atomic Theory, Industrialization), Aztecs (share maps, 100 gp), Babylonians (share maps, 100 gp), French (25 gp), Aztecs (cancel tech dump), English (share maps) - beakers/tech go down a measly 90 beakers (1350=>1260)... Aztecs canceled the dump, still haven't met sioux - gave other 4 about 20 techs each
580 factory, Corporation, Aztecs (cancel tech dump)
620 freight, Electronics Aztecs (cancel tech dump)
640 Aztecs (25 gp - still need to tech dump)
660 Steel, Aztecs (25 gp), Celts (warn of patience), Babylonians (200 gp), French (sympathize), English (75 gp), WL (20)
680 hydro plant, disband trireme (prolly should have a few turns ago)
700 transport
720 Chivalry (Aztecs cancel tech dump...)
740 freight, Aztecs (25 gp), wool (undemanded, 80) to teotihuacan
760 Refining
780 freight
800 Combustion
820 freight, cancel WL (26)
840 Automobile, Aztecs (Monotheism, 50 gp), Celts (50 gp), Babylonians (50 gp), English patience runs thin, spice (demanded, 350) to Teotihuacan
860 superhighways, Mass Production
900 freight, Nuclear Fission, cloth (demanded, 262) to Tours (overlapping french city)
920 WL (french engineers start building a fort on my farmland???)
940 freight, Leadership, cancel WL (27)
960 Engineers
980 Tactics
1000 freight
1020 Machine Tools, barbs land, take out archers on mountain At least there is Tours and Marseilles in between now
1040 freight
1060 Mobile Warfare (guess i'm rather used to scenarios with their tech beelines )
1080 freight, disband Engineers (went pretty quickly with 1 engineer watching pollution )
1100 Miniaturization
1120 offshore platform
1140 Computers
1160 research lab, Robotics (another 1 turn advance ), cloth (demanded, 255) to Tours
1180 manufacturing plant, Flight (82 production)
1200 freight
1220 freight
1240 start wonder (hope I'm not too early with the tech tree fluctuations)
1260 Radio
1300 Advanced Flight
1340 Rocketry (knew it was too good to be true - going to have to halt wonder for laser)
1360 Aztecs (Theology, 100 gp)
1380 Laser
1420 Space Flight
1440 Apollo Program hey! 3 huts on the north pole!
1460 struct #1, Plastics
1480 comp #1
1500 comp #2 (darn tech rate went from 2200 to 1800 and back to 2200...)
1510 struct #2, Genetic Engineering
1520 struct #3
1530 struct #4, Superconductor
1540 module #1
1550 struct #5, Fusion Power
1560 struct #6
1570 struct #7
1580 module #2
1590 struct #8
1600 struct #9
1610 struct #10
1620 module #3
1630 struct #11
1640 struct #12 (not beating Paul today , going to just miss a 17th century landing)
1650 struct #13
1660 struct #14
1670 struct #15, launch! (eta 1706AD)
1672 communism
1674 UN
1675 finally meet sioux, cancel imaginary war and make peace, gift gunpowder and offer alliance - they say their mighty armies can patrol their own borders
1676 stealth
1678 aztecs cancel worshipful alliance over superconductor...
1680 stealth fighter, peace Aztecs
lots of pretty new structures (city walls, barracks, port facilities etc)
lots of pretty new units (battleships, ageis crusiers, stealth fighters, mobile infantry)
lots of pretty techs
and lots of naval maneuvers by the Aztecs, but no action
1706 Alpha Centari, Brian Mulroney the Cruel (355)

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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

*goes off and starts gifting gold and techs*

**Ribannah** · October 9, 2000, 09:04

OCC #02
Deity
MGE

Except for the twisted tech tree, pretty smooth going . We let the AI tribes have it all up to and including Combustion, and it paid off. I was real cool to get an advance per turn for several turns .

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AC: 1536

Monarchy: -3650
Republic: -1450
Democracy: -125

Colossus: -2000
Copernicus: -675
Shakespeare: -225
Newton: 140
Leonardo: 240
Darwin: -
Hoover: 800
Apollo: 1100

Trade routes: -1050, -1000, -925

Size 12: -925
Size 20: -50
Size 27: 780

Trade: -1850
Construction: -2400
Sanitation: -425
Refrigeration: 360

Automobile: 580
Computers: 820
Space Flight: 1080
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-3650 MONARCHY - rather prefer Republic
SASQUATCH founded
-3500 50(h)
-3450 "Celtic destroyed by Sioux" - hope someone can restart
-3300 Writing, N-Horsemen(h)
-3250 S2, 50(h) (after 5x New York), Aztecs, Peace, 5 techs->A, no Ally
-3100 Wine mined
-3050 English, traded for Map Making, Ally, Maps, 3 techs->E, no gift
-2950 Mathematics(h), Currency(h)
"Russians destroyed by Babylonians" - guess the whites restarted and failed ... oh well, maybe the next time
-2800 50(h)
-2750 S3, Sioux, traded for Horseback Riding, Peace, gave 5 techs, Maps, no Ally
4 techs->A, Maps, no Ally , 1 tech->E, no gift
-2650 Literacy - hey! no chance to research The Republic , N-Archers(h)
-2400 Construction(h)
-2350 N-Chariot(h), 2,1,2 techs->A,E,S 100,25,50
-2250 Wine mined, 1 tech->E, 50
-2100 French, traded for Pottery and Warrior Code, gave 7 techs, Maps, Ally, 200
-2050 Traded for Mysticism(A), 50 , 5 techs->E
-2000 COLOSSUS
-1950 N-Chariot(h), English end Alliance
-1900 Library
-1850 Trade
-1800 Marketplace
-1750 S4, 4 techs->S, Maps, 100
-1700 Beads, 2 techs->F, 25
-1650 Traded for Philosophy and The Republic(A)
-1600 Gems
-1550 Babylonians, Peace, 12 techs->B, Maps, 150 , 1 tech->E
-1500 Hides, Revolution
-1450 REPUBLIC
-1400 Temple, We Love
-1350 Astronomy, S5
-1300 Colosseum, S6, 3 techs->F, 50
-1250 S7, 3 techs->E
-1200 Aquaduct, S8
-1150 S9, Barb Horsemen
-1100 Food, S10
-1050 Banking, We Love ends , Beads to Paris (118), Barb Horsemen, 2 techs->A
-1000 Food, Gems to Paris (118)
-975 Seafaring, We Love , 2 techs->E, Ally(E) for War(A), 100
-950 Harbor, S11
-925 S12, 2 Barb Archers, Barb Chariot, Barb Leader (150), Hides to Paris (140)
-900 Bank, Medicine, We Love ends , traded for The Wheel(S), 5 techs->S, Maps, no Ally
-850 Food
-825 Barb Chariot
-800 Food
-750 Food, University, 6 techs->B, 1 tech->F,E, 75,25
-700 Barb Horsemen
-675 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY
-650 Economics, 1 tech->F,E, 100,25
-625 University
-600 sold Colosseum
-575 Stock Exchange, Theory of Gravity
(PYRAMIDS - Aztecs)
-550 Traded for Iron Working(F), 1 tech->F,E, 50,50 , 3 techs->B
-525 Coal, Barb Horsemen
-500 Wool, Engineering, 2 Barb Horsemen, 5 techs->S, Maps, no Ally
-475 Food, Barb Leader (150)
-450 Food
-425 Food, Sanitation, 1 tech->F,E, 50,50
-400 Food, Barb Horsemen
-375 Barb Chariot
-350 Food, Chemistry, 1 tech->F, 50
-325 10 techs->A, Cease Fire, Maps
-300 Sewer System
-275 Invention, S13, 1 tech->F,E, 50,50
-225 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE
-200 Food, Gunpowder, S14, 1 tech->F,E, -,50 , 5 techs->B, 3 techs->S, Maps, no Ally
-175 S15
-150 Food, S16
-125 Democracy, DEMOCRACY, S17, 1 tech->E, 50 , Peace(A)
(GREAT LIBRARY - Sioux)
-100 Food, S18
-75 (KING RICHARD'S CRUSADE - Aztecs), S19
-50 Food, Explosives, S20, Wool and Coal to Orleans (2x88), 1 tech->F,E, 75,50
-25 We Love ends , Barb Archers
1 Food, Bridge Building, 2 Barb Elephants, 1 tech->F,E, 75,50
20 Barb Elephant
40 Food, Metallurgy, traded for Navigation(F), 4,7 techs-

**Paul** · October 9, 2000, 14:06

1536!!! Well done. Since this game was a random unmodified map that means that you are the new official OCC record holder. Congratulations.

**Scouse Gits** · October 9, 2000, 19:07

We have to do something about these goblins!!!

Congratulations Rib - a great game indeed.

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