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**freshman** · October 16, 2001, 17:38

umm - so I guess we'll see your next post to this thread with your result in January or Febuary - that's if you're able to sustain playing 6 hours a day for the next few months. We'll miss you. Oh yeah - and the rest of us will already have a few months of Civ III under our belts by the time you come out of seclusion.
That's all the encouragement I could come up with.

**shade** · October 16, 2001, 17:46

don't worry I'm multi-functional

and I have a lot of patience.

Maybe I'll put the progress(the real one) of the game here,just to showI'm still alive

About Civ3,If I buy it,that could be something for july or august,with or without what I'm doing now so,it doesn't matter.

due to a little character overflow(>20.000 characters in the first post) the citylist in moved here)

Cities build
=========
1)Washington(4000BC)
2)Boston
3)New York
4)Philadelphia
5)Atlanta
6)Chicago
-)San Francisco(destroyed by barbs in 400BC)
7)Buffalo(1400BC)
8)St.Louis(1150BC)
-)Detroit(800BC) (GRRRR Russians You Will BLEED for this,but not right now

)
9)New Orleans (200BC)
10)Denver(200AD)
11)Cincinnati(240AD)
12)Dallas(240AD)
13)Los Angeles(360AD)
14)New San Fransis(460AD)
15)San Diego(520AD)
16)Richmond(580AD)
17)Las Vegas(1100AD)
18)Phoeinix(1120AD)
19)Seattle(1180AD)
20)Albuquerque(1180AD)
21)Portland (1220AD)
22)Minneapolis(1460AD)
23)Naples(1480AD)
24)Issus(1530AD)
25)Cunaxa(1550AD)
26)Cremona(1550AD)
27)Cannae(1560AD)
28)Capua(1560AD)
29)Turin(1600AD)
30)Genoa(1620AD)
31)Yakutsk(1620AD=>bribed+subverted for 528G)
32)Crete(1630AD)
33)Verona(1640AD)
34)Salamis(1680AD)
35)Lisbon(1700AD)
36)Hamburg(1700AD)
37)Prague(1754AD)
38)Salzburg(1754AD)
39)Sverdlovsk(1758AD=>present of the Russian War:13G hehe)
40)Bergen(1758AD)
41)Venice(1762AD)
42)Milan(1764AD)
43)Gent(1764AD=> Finally my city of birth is in

)
44)Pisa(1766AD)
45)Dublin(1772AD)
46)Toronto(1776AD)
47)Melbourne(1778AD)
48)Sydney(1780AD)
49)Sevastopol(1786AD=>bribed from Russians for 800G(next to capital

) got 18G+60G from granary+4Units+Walls+baraks=Best Buy

)
50)Hydrogen(1788AD)
51)Helium(1788AD)
52)Lithium(1792AD)
53)Beryllium(1800AD)
54)Boron(1804Ad)
55)Astrakhan(1806Ad=>conquered it from the Russians got 9G

)
56)Carbon(1808Ad)
57)Nitrogen(1810Ad)
58)Oxygen(1812Ad)
59)Fluor(1814Ad)
60)Neon(1814Ad)
61)Natrium(1824AD)
62)Magnesium(1824AD)
63)Alluminium(1826AD
64)Smolensk(1828AD bribed from Russians(since their pikemen were stronger then my musketeers???))
65)Silicium(1828AD)
66)Fosfor(1830AD)
67)Sulfrum(1830AD)
68)Chloor(1842AD)
69)Argon(1842AD)
70)Kalium(1844AD)
71)Calcium(1848AD)
72)Scandium(1848AD)
73)Titanium(1850AD)
74)Vanadium(1852AD)
75)Chromium(1853AD)
76)Moscow(1854AD guess

oeps took their capital)
77)St.Petersburg(1855AD, due to low bribing costs(3000G->300G) I really had to make use of it)
78)Kiev(1855AD,idem dito)
79)Tblisi(1856AD,another Russian city for me

)
80)Mangaan(1856AD)
81)Minsk(1857AD,NEEEEEXT

)
82)Ferox(1857AD)
83)Novgorod(1859Ad,New size11 Russian city for me

with as bonus 6 fresh units+78G+60G(from granary))
84)Cobalt(1859AD)
85)Nikel(1861AD)
86)Cuprum(1862AD)
87)Zink(1862AD)
88)Gallium(1864AD)
89)Germanium(1864AD)
90)Odessa(1864AD,New size 11 Russian city for me with 6Units + 83G+60G(granary))
91)Arsenicum(1865AD)
92)Selenium(1865AD)
93)Broom(1866AD)
94)Krypton(1866AD)
95)Vladivostok(1866AD,Latest addition for my Russia collection,got 4Units + 85+60G)
96)Krasnoyarsk(1867AD,

ME=MASTER OF BRIBERY,4Units+67+60G)
97)Rubidium(1868AD)
98)Strontium(1868AD)
99)Ytrium(1869AD)
100)Zirconium(1869AD,150turns to 2020ad,150cities to found/capture/whatever)
101)Niobium(1871Ad)
102)Molybdenum(1872Ad)
103)Technetium(1875AD)
104)Rhutenium(1875AD)
105)Rostov(1879AD,my troops invade the new Russian capital after a very bloody attack,spoils of war 64G)
106)Three Forks(1880AD,an other Russian city for me+6units)
107)Kharkov(1882AD,bought in peace time=>size4

2units and 68G )
108)Riga(1884AD,bought last Russian city=>Size 7, 2Units 90G)
109)Cordoba(1889AD,first Spanish city bribed)
110)Rhodium(1889AD)
111)Palladium(1889AD)
112)Argentum(1893AD)
113)Cadmium(1893AD)
114)Bordeaux(1895AD)(small size1 French colony cost me 131G=>got 11G+Settler+Atomic Theory)
115)Barcelona(1895AD)(Size12 Spanish city=>cost 1328G=>got 302G+7Units)
116)Indium(1895AD)
117)Salamanca(1896AD)(Size 12 Spanish city => cost 1731G=>got 308G+4Units)
118)Valladolid(1896AD)(Size 11 Spanish city=> cost 1116G=> got 256G+5Units)
119)Stannum(tin)(1896AD)
120)Cadiz(1897AD)(Size 12 Spanish city=>cost 1696G=>got 311G+10Units

)===> add memo : manual says under Fundi you get 10 free units=> wrong only 8
121)Seville(1899AD)(Size 12 Spanish city=> cost 1690G=>got 316G+5Units)
122)Madrid(1900AD)(Size 7 Spanish capital => spoils of war: "the Collosus"+147G)
123)Toledo(1900AD)(Size 12 Spanish city=> cost 720G=> got 268G+5Units)
124)Saragossa(1900AD)(Size 10 Spanish City=> cost 659G=>got183G+3Units)
125)Bilbao(1900AD)(Size 6 Spanish city=> cost 288G=> got56G+2Units)
126)Matsuyama(1900AD)(Size 8 Japanese city=> cost 1120G =>got 216G+14Units

+Japanese partisans

)
127)Liverpool(1902AD)(Size 12 English city=>cost 2224G=>got 192G+5Units
128)Antimoon(1902AD)
129)Tellurium(1902AD)
130)Kyoto(1903AD)(Japanese Capital: plunder 225G+get Oracle)
131)Nagoya(1903AD)(Size 7 Japanese city=>cost 1490G=> got 93G+4Units)
132)Birmingham(1903AD)(Size 9 English city =>cost 936G=> got:161G+3Units)
133)Jodium(already have a city called Naples)(1903AD)(Size2 French City(to close to my territory and a way to get a little peace):cost 129G=>got:10G+1Settler+peace)
134)Nagasaki(1904AD)Size 11 Japanese city:cost 2567G=>got:216G+5Units)
135)Osaka(1905AD)(Second Japanese Capital taken by force=> got 104G)
136)Edo(1905AD)(Size 11 Japanese City=> cost 1400G=> got 221G+5Units)
137)Nara(1905AD)(Size 12 Japanese city=>cost 1600G=> got 193G +4 Units)
138)Yokohama(1905AD)(Size 8 Japanese city => cost 454G=> got 73G+4Units)
139)Rheims(1906AD)(Size 12 French city=>cost 2112G=> got 185G+6Units)
140)Izumo(1906AD)(Size 12 Japanese city=> cost 1420G=> got 330G+5Units)
141)Rouen(1907AD)(size 7 French city=> cost 1898G=> got 154G+3Units)
142)Sapporo(1907AD)(Size 5 Japanese city=> cost 280G=> got: 108G+3Units)
143)Shimonoseki(1907AD)(Size 6 Japanese city => cost 305G=> got 140G+ 2Units)
144)Chartres(1907AD)(Size 4 French city => cost 814G=> got 109G+2Units)
145)Oxford(1908AD)(Size 12 English city=> cost 1610G=> got 208G+5Units)
146)Reading(1908AD)(Size 12 English city=> cost 1540G=> got 197G+5Units)
147)Norwich(1909AD)(Size 12 English city=> cost 2560G=>got 210G+6Units)
148Xenon(1909AD)
149)Brighton(1910AD)(Size 11 English city=> cost 1826G=>got 203G+Fundamentalism+4Units)
150)Richmond(1910AD)(Size 9 English city=> cost 1020G=> got 107G+Guerrilla Warfare+3Units)
151)Cesium(1910AD)
152)NottingHam(1911AD)(Size 12 English city=> cost 2850G=>got 225G+10Units)
153)Leeds(1911AD)(Size 12 English city=> cost 1920G=>got 207G+4Units)
154)London(1912AD)(Size12 English city=>cost 2950G=>got 237G+Marco Polo's Embassy+8Units)
155)Warwick(1912AD)(Size 12 English city=> conquered=> got 162G)
156)York(1913AD)(Size 12 English City=> cost 1725G=> got 266G+5Units)
157)Coventry(1913AD)(Size 7 English Capital=> got:159G)
158)Canterbury(1913AD)(Size 12 English City cost 960G=>got:212G+4Units)
159)Hastings(1913AD)(Size 12 English city cost 1550G=> got 185G+4Units)
160)Dover(1914AD)(Size 11 English city cost 371G => got:359G+3Units)
161)Exeter(1914AD)(Size 8 English city cost 217G => got 98G+3Units)
162)Barium(1914AD)
163)Brest(1915AD)(Size 5 French city Captured => got 46G)
164)Lanthaan(1915AD)
165)Cherbourg(1916AD)(Size 12 French city cost 4496G=> got:203G + 12 Units)
166)Grenoble(1916AD)(Size 12 French City cost 1120G=> got:192G+4Units)
167)Bayonne(1916AD)(Size 6 French City cost 676G=> got:60G+2Units)
168)Lyons(1917AD)(Size 3 Captured French Capital=> got Cop.Obs+104G)
169)Besacon(1917AD)(Size 11 French city=> cost 1262G=> got:126G+3Units)
170)Dijon(1917AD)(Size 12 French City=> cost 1200G=> got: 126G+6Units)
171)Tours(1918AD)(Size 12 French City=> cost 1660G=> got: 170G+7Units)
172)Orleans(1918AD)(Size 12 French City=> cost 1560G=> got:155G+ 4Units)
173)Toulouse(1918AD)(Size 4 French City=> cost 435G=> got: 87G+3Units)
174)Paris(1918AD)(Size 12 French City=> cost 1160G=> got: 139G+5Units+Hanging Gardens)
175)Poitiers(1919AD)(Size 7 French Capital=> got: 86G)
176)Avignon(1919AD)(Size 9 French City=> cost 840G=> got 156G+4Units)
177)Strasbourg(1919AD)(Size 7 French City=> cost 444G=> got 121G+2Units)
178)Marseilles(1919AD)(Size 12 French City=> cost 1260G=> got 151G+4Units)
179)Amiens(1919AD)(Size 8 French City=> cost 780G=> got 106G+5 Units)
180)Cerium(1919AD)
181)Praseodynium(1919AD)
182)Issus(1920AD)(Size 3 French City => cost 130G=> got:189G+1Unit)
183)Neodymium(1928AD)
184)Promethium(1933AD)
185)Samarium(1934AD)
186)Europium(1937AD)
187)Gadolinium(1937AD)
188)Terbium(1938AD)
189)Dysprosium(1939AD)
190)Holmium(1939AD)
191)Erbium(1940AD)
192)Thulium(1941AD)
193)Ytterbium(1941AD)
194)Lutetium(1945AD)
195)Hafnium(1945AD)
196)Tantalium(1949AD)
197)Outpost(1952AD)
198)Tungsten(1952AD)
199)Rhenium(1953AD)
200)Osmium(1961AD)
201)Iridium(1961AD)
202)Platinum(1962AD)
203)Aurum(1965AD)
204)Kwik(1967AD)
205)Thallium(1968AD)
206)Plumbum(1970AD)
207)Bismuth(1970AD)
208)Polonium(1971AD)
209)Astatine(1972AD)
210)Radon(1973AD)
211)Francium(1974AD)
212)Radium(1976AD)
213)Actinium(1980AD)
214)Thorium(1980AD)
215)Protactinium(1980AD)
216)Uranium238(1980AD)
217)Neptunium(1980AD)
218)Plutonium(1981AD)
219)Americium(1981AD)
220)Curium(1981AD)
221)Berkelium(1981AD)
222)Californium(1982AD)
223)Einsteinium(1982AD)
224)Fermium(1982AD)
225)Mendelevium(1982AD)
226)Nobelium(1982AD)
227)Lawrencium(1982AD)

(I'm almost through my chemical ellements

only 10 left with a name)

Shade

**rah** · October 16, 2001, 17:50

Re: record attempt(yes I am nuts

)

Originally posted by shade
But there still are some questions:
-In the other thread a read a referal to the fact that Ming would even have succeded in scoring over 20.000pts,So I would like some more info about that event(difficultylvl,exact score,random map or homemade map?,...)
-What is allowed??airfielding mined hills&mountains,...
...

Shade

If I remember correctly, (ming, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
I had scored in the 18,000 somewhere, Ming easily (if you can all that sweat easy) and kept going to almost 21,000 to discourage me from trying again. We had traded records 3 or 4 times.

Deity, raging, random large map. It was before MP so it wasn't the gold addition. It was before a lot of the cheats were known, so I'm sure we didn't use the airbase trick, unless it was actually just an airbase. I don't think we rehomed caravans.

I am sure we tried a few starts untill we liked one.

Good luck, we will start preparing the rubber room now.

RAH
Anything else MING?

**rah** · October 16, 2001, 17:57

But please keep in mind that someone has done 30,000. don't know what rules. And the Ming an I both launched before the final year because the boredom was getting to us. I think I launched in 1950, and Ming only last long enough to beat my score, then he launched early also.

If I had had to play to 2020, I would have shot myself.

RAH

**shade** · October 16, 2001, 17:57

thx rah

then I also keep the airbase thing out(actually it's rather annoying when you use it and then need to transfer an entire airfleet,btw who needs this to create big cities,caravans will probably do as well)
Q:why aren't those in the hall of fame???
(best I saw was >17000 but that was using FW)

Shade

**shade** · October 16, 2001, 18:04

I think I launched in 1950, and Ming only last long enough to beat my score, then he launched early also.
If I had had to play to 2020, I would have shot myself.

I'll keep that in mind=> just go over those 21OOO and stop before I die of boredom(or try to shoot myself

)

Shade

**rah** · October 17, 2001, 08:25

Why aren't they in the hall of fame? I believe we did the scores before the Hall of Fame was created and didn't have saved games. But the main reason was we were only completing with each other. I saw him playing once he had passed my score and didn't need to see the save game at the end. There has always been honor in all of our personal competitions. (besides I knew I didn't have the patience to beat his record again) We really didn't think it was a big thing, except to us of course.

Good luck,
You will start dreaming of moving 500 food caravans a turn. (hint) when you pair up the cities that you're going to do the food caravan tricks with, make sure they are on the same side of the y=0 coordinate and close enough to each other that the "go to " command works right. That will save you from some of the madness.

I look forward to seeing your reports sometime next year.

RAH

**freshman** · October 17, 2001, 15:21

Maybe this is a game where multiple people could contribute - each taking a turn of tedium to spare one person from the full effects.

So my advice would be to turn this into a succession game.

Otherwise a game like this is simply a game of endurance.
It's the kind of thing you'd do while in prison to kill time.

PS I might try a partial turn just to see the food caravan trick in action, but that's it.

**Xin Yu** · October 17, 2001, 17:33

Another approach: write a program to buy 40 shields for 235 golds in all your caravan-building cities (assume that you have 10 shield production to finish the caravan the next turn). The program will check if you have discovered gunpowder, and go through the city information part of memory. For each of your civ's city, the program will check if it is building caravan and have 0 shields accrued. If so, the program will purchase for it. (If you don't want a city to get purchased shields, just change the building target before running the program).

After you have established your empire, each turn you deliver commodity caravans first to accrue enough money then run the program---pppppf!! However at start of each turn you still need to select commodity for each caravan, and that takes a lot of time.

To facilitate moving, you need a fast computer, and name your cities in pairs (for example, 1A0, 2A0, 1A1, 2A1, ... 1A9, 2A9, 1B0, 2B0, ...). 1A0 and 2A0 will be closest to each other, and you always send food caravans between them, so you won't make a mistake.

**freshman** · October 17, 2001, 17:53

How do you write a computer program to interface with the gui of another application?

Now that I think about it, I guess there are QA-tools that you hear about QA people using to automate tests of gui programs. Maybe you could get ahold of some of those tools. Could be as simple as teaching the tool a procedure by certain click movements to automate it. Don't know the names of these QA tools - I'm sure a google search would come up with a few. And they're not cheap either, I'm sure.

As far as a naming convention, having a [1-2][a-z][0-9] format seems confusing (you might make the mistake to pair up 1a1 with 1a2 instead of 2a1.)

I'd use [a-z][a-z][0-1] as a naming convention - then there's no ambiguity.

**freshman** · October 17, 2001, 18:03

Just talked to a buddy in our software QA department.
"QAPartner" apparently works on general gui
another one which is for web-based enabled gui is
"Silk"

**Xin Yu** · October 17, 2001, 18:05

Originally posted by freshman
How do you write a computer program to interface with the gui of another application?

Angelo's CSPL can do this but it's for TOT. You can find threads about CSPL in SLeague forum and TOT forum. Allard's "everything for hex editing" thread provides information on what to search. I have written a program before for MPE so I know it can be done. I don't have 2.4.2 or I would write it myself.

**shade** · October 18, 2001, 06:15

There has always been honor in all of our personal competitions.

I think there should be honor in all competitions,that's also why I will certainly not use any program that takes over the foodtrading part,like there is suggested here.

You will start dreaming of moving 500 food caravans a turn.

What's so bad about that??It's better than dreaming that you are hunted by a differential equation

(don't ask how and why)

(hint) when you pair up the cities that you're going to do the food caravan tricks with, make sure they are on the same side of the y=0 coordinate and close enough to each other that the "go to " command works right. That will save you from some of the madness.

Well the pairing up will go (with a written list in my left hand and mouse in right) between 2 neighburing cities(max 8 squares away i hope)(I'll keep in mind the X=0 axis)

Freshman:As you said it will be a game of endurance,and I really don't think it would be a good Idea to make a succession game out of it(it would even take longer then it will do now,and it will have a lesser chance of success.)

PS I might try a partial turn just to see the food caravan trick in action, but that's it.

Why do you need this game for that?You can do this in any game you want,eg you have an island with 4 cities and your capital,then just let those 4 create foodcaravans and deliver to your capital==> It's the same thing I will be doing but only for one city.

Freshman and Xin Yu:as said before such a program is out of the question.and about the names=>it will be city-names,NO COORDINATES

Shade

**Ming** · October 18, 2001, 11:23

Yes... you are nuts

But, if you are going to do it... use any program help you can.
Words can't even begin to describe just how BORING it will be.
Once you get to the food caravan stage, and only one surrounded enemy city left... ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Good luck. I think Xin calculated that the best you can do is around 30,000 points... so if you keep your sanity, keep us up to date

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