Come! Laugh at an SG!

[Scouse Gits]

Seems like everyone is smashing us into the ground - we must learn to play this silly game sometime ...

Sorry, ther won't be an update this Friday - 'tis my birthday - so we shall be indulging in even more serious consumption of the EEC's wine lake ...

[Smash]

I'm starting to feel like I have participated in the hijacking of a thread

[DaveV]

20 Leptis Parva builds settlers. New research goal; mathematics. Malaca builds food caravan. Rushbuild sewer system in Carthage. Rushbuy 4 shields toward setters in Rusicade. Rushbuy 5 shields toward caravan in Utica. Change taxes to 60/20/20.
40 Carthage builds sewer system, switch to bank. Food Malaca->Carthage. Tingis completes horsemen, switch to settlers. Saguntum established. Rushbuy shields: 5 in Utica, 4 in Rusaddit, 3 in Malaca.
60 Leptis Magna, Girba, Caralis, Rusicade build settlers. Carthage size 13. Food Utica->Carthage. Rushbuy 15 shields in Utica, 10 in Panormus, 23 in Malaca. Rushbuy 71 shields in Carthage.
80 Sioux attack Carthage, Carthage size 12, WLTQD cancelled . Food Panormus->Carthage. Set taxes to 50/20/30.
100 WLTQD in Carthage, size 13. Food Utica->Carthage. Rushbuy 37 shields in Panormus, 18 in Alalia. Naples established. Change taxes to 70/10/20.
120 Carthage size 14. Taxes 60/10/30. Food Panormus->Carthage.
140 Trondheim builds Oracle. Carthage size 15. Rushbuild 14 shields toward bank in Carthage. Food Panormus->Carthage. Issus established.
160 Rusaddit builds settlers. Carthage size 16. Taxes 70/10/20. Rushbuild 35 shields in Panormus. Food Utica->Carthage.
180 Carthage size 17. Rushbuy 35 shields in Utica, Malaca. Food Malaca->Carthage. Rushbuy city walls in Carthage. Taxes to 40/40/20; we need to grow more for WLTQD.
200 Carthage size 18, WLTQD cancelled. Rushbuild diplomat in Alalia. Cunaxa established. Taxes 70/10/20. Food Panormus->Carthage.

[DaveV]

220 Viking trireme moves away (they don't want to be bribed?). Carthage size 19.
240 Carthage size 20. Food Malaca->Carthage. Cremona established. Rushbuy 35 shields in Utica, Malaca.
260 Carthage size 21. Babylonians start Copeernicus's Observatory. Taxes to 30/40/30. Food Panormus->Carthage.
280 Carthage size 22. Food Utica->Carthage. Rushbuy 35 shields in Panormus, 2 in Saguntum, 1 in Rusicade, 6 in Issus.
300 Carthage size 23, WLTQD . Silk (D) Tingis->Carthage, 144. Rushbuy 45 (should have been 35) shields in Utica, 45 in Malaca, 38 in Alalia, 3 in Rusaddit.. Food Malaca->Carthage. Cannae established. Sioux start Copeernicus's Observatory.
320 Carthage size 24. Mathematics discovered, Astronomy next. Capua established. Silver (D) Cartenna->Carthage, 240; Copper (D) Carthago Nova->Carthage, 108; Silk (D) Oea->Carthage, 186. Rushbuild explorer in Leptis Magna. Rushbuy 43 shields in Akragas, 14 in Girba, 1 in Caralis, 20 in Tingis, 35 in Theveste, 14 in Rusicade, 5 in Rusaddit, 10 in Oea, 10 in Leptis Magna, 10 in Carthago Nova. Taxes 0/70/30. shields in Girba.
340 Astronomy discovered, Invention next. Change production in Carthage to Copernicus's Observatory. Add 5 caravans to wonder production in Carthage, rushbuy remaining 41 shields. Silver (D) Gades->Carthage, 134. Taxes 60/10/30. Rushbuy 1 shield in Cartenna. Rushbuy 47 shields in Malaca.
360 Carthage builds Copernicus's Observatory. Americans, Babylonians, Sioux abandon same . Rushbuy 40 shields in Utica, Panormus.
380 Rushbuy 1 shield in Gades, 42 in Carthage, 47 in Capua, 50 in Panormus and Utica. Silk (D) Akragas->Carthage, 240; Silk Theveste->Carthage, 92; Silk Leptis Parva->Carthage, 84.
400 Invention discovered, University next. Add 7 caravans to project in Carthage. Dye Tingis->Carthage, 25; Silk Girba->Carthage, 32; Silk. Taxes 10/60/30. Rushbuy 36 shields in Malaca, 50 in Carthage, 1 in Rusicade.

[DaveV]

420 Carthage builds Leonardo's Workshop. Vikings (cordial) encountered. Peace, won't trade knowledge nor maps. Silk Caralis->Carthage, 26; Copper (D) Rusicade->Carthage, 84; Silk Carthago Nova->Carthage, 28; Silk Leptis Magna->Carthage, 31.
440 University discovered, Theory of Gravity next. Russians encountered, they give me Iron Working for Invention. Wine Theveste->Carthage, 46; Copper (D) Rusucurru->Carthage, 68; Silk Rusaddit->Carthage, 34; Salt Oea->Carthage, 33. Rushbuy University in Carthage, 4 shields in Malaca.
460 Carthage builds university, switch to caravan. Rushbuy 17 shields in Capua, 2 in Saguntum, 5 in Utica, 5 in Panormus, 3 in Malaca. Silk Saguntum->Carthage, 46.
480 Theory of Gravity discovered, Chemistry next. Rushbuy 5 shields in Utica, 5 in Panorums, 3 in Malaca, 12 in Carthage.
500 Rushbuy 8 shields in Capua.
520 Turin established. Rushbuy 5 shields in Himera, 8 in Capua. Sioux undertake Magellan's Expedition. Barbarians land near Himera.
540 Chemistry discovered, Gunpowder next. Silk Cartenna->Carthage, 52. Rushbuy 28 shields in Capua, 2 in Cunaxa. Withdraw from Himera in hopes of buying off barbs. Barbs sack Himera.
560 Taxes to 20/50/30. Rushbuy 4 shields in Himera.
580 Rushbuy 2 shields in Carthage, 8 in Capua, 5 in Utica, 5 in Panormus. Dye Gades->Carthage, 28. Hut: advanced tribe (Genoa). Taxes 0/70/30.
600 Gunpowder discovered, Democracy next. Taxes 20/50/30. Rushbuy 27 shields in Turin, 2 in Carthage, 8 in Capua, 5 in Panormus, 3 in Cremona, 5 in Utica. Taxes to 0/70/30.
Dye Girba->Carthage, 33; Hides Carthago Nova->Carthage, 29; Coal Theveste->Carthage, 49; Wool Tingis->Carthage, 27; Silk (D) Rusicade->Carthage, 135.

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Seems like everyone is smashing us into the ground - we must learn to play this silly game sometime ...

You are not that much into the ground, brothers!
My mighty computers have calculated that the power of your civ in 1AD is stronger than mine(and I have just finished conquering the world in 1758 ).
Pray, brothers! Carthage won't be destroyed!

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Smash
I'm 3 turns from launching a 25-5-5-1-1-1 with or without Fusion Power.So my ETA will be 1540 or 1543AD.

WOW!
Great game, smash!
That's more than 2 centuries ahead of arii!
Sweet, sweet rehoming

[La Fayette]

comparison table at 1 AD

This table is not nice to look at (I must plan to travel to Liverpool and get solid briefing by SG1 ), but I hope you find it interesting.

6 players have sent savegames at 1 AD. Here are the results:

Dave V__: 134, (73), (122), 62, no
smash__: 124, (51), (146), 74, starting
arii_____: 114, (56), (115), 63, no
Gits_____: 92, (61), (61), 43, yes
Xarathas_: 86, (51), (69), 49, no
LaFayette: 60, (18), (84), 42, yes

Column 1 is Building Power (BP = NS + 0.5 CF)
Column 2 is Net Shields (NS = Production - Support)
Column 3 is Cash Flow (CF = Gold earned - Maintenance)
Column 4 is Worked Shields (WS = Sum of city sizes + Number of cities)
Column 5 is foreign trade (yes = at least 1 caravan delivered)

Remarks:
Dave is #1 (we knew that already )
I am #6 (but I am #1 in foreign trade; if that was taken into account, the Gits would probably be very close to arii and I would be very close to both of them)
Other remarks
( in fact I haven't yet published my savegame, because I have never done that in my life and I don't know how to do it, but I shall have a try NOW).
(I remember having had a discussion with Dave about shields and arrows; look at the table: Dave 73s, LF 18s; hello Dave!)

[La Fayette]

owsthat?

With a little bit of luck, here is my savegame

[La Fayette]

1758: Rabid Rodent rules the world

It seems that I'm now able to attach savegames.
Therefore, here is 1758...
with a few milestones:
260AD: Astro + Mike
440AD: Cope
720AD: Sanitation
800AD: Shake
820AD: Invention
1080AD: Navigation
116OAD: Isaac
1240AD: Steam Engine
1260AD: 7 ironclads (unfortunately non vet, since the AI discovered Magnetism on that very turn)
...and here we go ! (... here we sail )

[arii]

Congratulation smash! Impressive.
This clearly shows that early foreign trade is the better strategy.

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by arii
Congratulation smash! Impressive.
This clearly shows that early foreign trade is the better strategy.

With a lot of early caravan rehoming on top of it

(La Fayette, dreaming that rehoming is going to be legal in civ3)

[Xin Yu]

Here's my plan:

Start of the game: you are at continent # 41, and the land mass is not big. Conclusion: This map has a lot of small islands. Super Iconclad to conquer will be the fastest way to win. You have Hor as a starting tech, so before Iro is discovered you'll be safe from barbarians (horses can beat barb archers). SE (tech for Iconclad) can be as early as the 24th tech and you already have 4 at the beginning. Which means, 20 techs to victory!

Step 1: Alp, Col, Mon -- revolution
Step 2: Cur, Tra -- caravans, MPE
Step 3: Map -- Trieme, Lighthouse

Stop researching for a while, trade techs and maps with other civs, rush buy triemes and caravans for trading.

Techs to research afterwards: Pot -- HG (Optional), Wri, Lit, Rep (optional, if you built HG you can use WLTKD to grow poplation), Mas, Cst, Mat, Ast, Sea, Whe, Eng, Nav, Phy, Inv, SE. -- Super Iconclad. Note: only trade techs to get things from the above list. If any civ discovers Iro, consider trade it as well for defending against barbarian.

[La Fayette]

Xin Yu
I agree completely with your analysis of this game (horsemen against barbs, ironclads to conquer, quite few techs needed).
But Steam Engine was my tech #35 (instead of 24 or 25 according to your advice).
Here are the 10 techs I got on top of your list:
Bank, Brid, Iron, Medi, Mono, Phil, Poly, Sani, TGrav, Univ.
Block #1 = Mono, Phil, Poly (Phil is free if discovered first, Mono is very useful because of happiness and Mike)
Block #2 = Medi, Sani, TGrav, Univ ( = Fat SSC and strong research)
Block #4 = Bank (= gold in the fat SSC)
Block #5 = Iron, Brid (got those unwilling (huts), they prove useful just after SE, allowing immediate research of RR, then Indust, both very useful for fluid logistics behind the ironclads).

I am very happy that you have decided to play this game.

[Smash]

Actually,I didn't start foreign trade very much until Magnetism.Then it went into high gear.I was rushing freights every turn where possible.Rehoming tripled the payoff,at least.I had a bunch of freights waiting on US land for most of the last half game or so.1 was all I needed to fill the box enough.My civ was never going to generate enough for multiple techs on its own.Not even 1 alone.So the best I could hope for was 1 per turn.I kept that rate for many turns.Only losing it a couple times.Magellans paid for itself many times over.
All that gold just kept getting recycled into freights,improvements and wonders.I couldn't spend it fast enough.
Being isolated(somewhat)allowed me to forget about defense early.2 elephants could have wiped me out a 1 point .I think 2.42 doesn't hurt here either.

btw I have arrived in 1543.I could not muster enough science to get Fusion in time.I would have,had it been offered when it should have been