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    You guys keep saying this isn't a viable strategy, it's only not a viable strategy when you are forced to defend your cities due to martial law. Here is how it works...

    All games have a feel to them. For example, in age of empires there is a feel to the economy of the game. No one can teach you to balance your economy properly, it's a feel that is learned over many games. It's the knowledge to know when to take 1 villager off of wood and put him on food or to leave that villager there. In civ it is no different. It is the instinct to know when to leave a city undefended or when to defend it. This is where the true skill of it comes in. You have the option to defend your cities at the loss of expansion speed. However you also risk losing your cities to horsemen. On 1x1x King you never have to worry about defending a city, ever. On deity you are forced to defend those cities because the AI doesn't give you a choice. On 2x2x King you have the option of leaving cities undefended at the risk of losing those cities to horsemen. Strategies are created through choices, when you remove choices you remove strategy. That is why civ3 has flopped completely because there is no choice in civ3, the restrictions put on the player by the designers in order to make the AI more challenging have completely destroyed the game. Deity is the closest you will ever come to civ3. I have already gone through and played deity and my challenge was that if I got HG then I would win every time. In all my games I have won every single game I got HG first and the only 1 I lost was to markus because he got HG first.

    Back to the point though. Having the instinct to know where to defend and to know where to find someone who isn't defending is part of what makes me so great. I can go games completely without any units in my cities and without losing a single city because I have the instinct and the knowledge to do that. I know the most likely places people will explore, I know the least likely places people will explore, I know where I am weak and I know where I am strong and so that allows me to maximize the utilization of that knowledge. On deity...everyone must defend, I have no choice in the matter. On raging hordes...just like strat said, I could get a barbarian and you could get a city and I guarantee you with an advantage like that the game is ended immediately. You don't see this because you don't play at the level we do. I've already gone through and proven that I can't lose on deity as long as I have HG, and I've also proven that without HG the game is pretty much over if I'm playing against a good player. What have you done? You've done nothing, and every time you reply with one of your lame lines or excuses. One trick pony? No, you're the one trick pony. I have beaten everyone on every setting and I have proven the inadequacy of deity as a multiplayer setting. No hut maps with equal starting positions are the only real way to take all randomization out of the game, but it also makes the game incredibly long. Lets face it, there is noone on this site that has ever truly refuted any of my challenges or any of my claims. It always comes back to something about cheating or calling me a braggart. I enjoy that though because I know I have won.

  • #2
    I really like it when you share your knowledge of the game

    The undefended city strat is an interesting one. I think its being used more. It is viable on deity level under certain conditions.
    Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

    Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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    • #3
      When the greatest civ player of all time passes on his knowledge we all must stop and learn
      The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

      Hydey the no-limits man.

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      • #4
        Re: The art of leaving cities undefended

        Originally posted by HappySunShine
        You guys keep saying this isn't a viable strategy, it's only not a viable strategy when you are forced to defend your cities due to martial law. Here is how it works...
        Sure... it's a viable strategy when you play without barbs.

        On deity you are forced to defend those cities because the AI doesn't give you a choice.
        You keep saying this... and it's still incorrect every time you do. Many people play the empty city strategy at Deity. Most use elvis's, and some even increase luxeries... You aren't forced to defend the city. You have a "choice" not to. You may say it's a stupid choice, but it is a choice. And as you say, choices mean strategy

        On deity...everyone must defend, I have no choice in the matter.
        Again with this incorrect statement

        On raging hordes...just like strat said, I could get a barbarian and you could get a city and I guarantee you with an advantage like that the game is ended immediately. You don't see this because you don't play at the level we do.
        The same occurs if somebody gets a tons of settlers or cities, and you get are worthless sciences. To carry your logic out, you shouldn't even be playing with huts, yet you still do.

        I have proven the inadequacy of deity as a multiplayer setting.
        You have proven nothing except to stick to your incorrect statement that Deity doesn't offer choices.

        No hut maps with equal starting positions are the only real way to take all randomization out of the game, but it also makes the game incredibly long.
        That is correct... but that's not what you are advocating playing. You still want your huts... but you want to remove the risk of any real danger, but still live with the unfairness that huts keep in the game. Again, barbs disrupt your strategy...

        Lets face it, there is noone on this site that has ever truly refuted any of my challenges or any of my claims.
        Hmmm... many people claim to have beaten you... even ras... Some even say they beat you half the time. So what the heck are you talking about.

        it always comes back to something about cheating or calling me a braggart.
        But you are a braggart, and you did cheat... so how does that make you a winner?

        You keep making these claims of Proof... and yet you have never really proved anything. You have stated your opinions... but nothing more. In reality, the only thing that has ever been proven is that you indeed did cheat

        See... now you can go off and feel like you won

        Keep on Civin'
        RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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        • #5
          Yes, leaving cities undefended is a VERY viable strat

          Eh, Horse?
          "Old age and skill will overcome youth and treachery. "
          *deity of THE DEITIANS*
          icq: 8388924

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          • #6
            *Hydey phones shops to organise beer and popcorn delivery while waiting for a responce from the great one. *

            The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

            Hydey the no-limits man.

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            • #7
              No need to wait for the "great one"... His response is automatic on his part... Let me see...

              I'm the greatest
              You all suck
              There is no strategy in Deity
              You don't know what you are talking about
              I'm the greatest
              2x2x is the only way to play
              Only newbies play deity
              I'm the greatest
              Is the best you do is call me a cheater
              I've never lost
              You lie
              My skills are the best

              And he will do it in his normal ranting tone.
              Again, no need to wait for his response. It's so predictable

              It's actually too bad that he will respond that way. If he dropped the rantings, and didn't put down everybody, or put down the other settings... he really has some good stuff to say. His knowleged and expertise of the game is great. It's just too bad it gets lost in all of his ego oriented and insulting tirades.
              Keep on Civin'
              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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              • #8
                Oh, I thought Hydey was referring to true greatness... Horsie
                "Old age and skill will overcome youth and treachery. "
                *deity of THE DEITIANS*
                icq: 8388924

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by deity
                  Oh, I thought Hydey was referring to true greatness... Horsie
                  Keep on Civin'
                  RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by deity
                    Oh, I thought Hydey was referring to true greatness... Horsie
                    Have you been drinking the parrot wine again ?
                    The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

                    Hydey the no-limits man.

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                    • #11
                      the discussion is a bit boring, cause its always the same point, but Eyes: stop complaining about 1x1x diety. to say it clearly: its no skill to grow up in 2x2x king wehre you can sleeze cities and so on. its realy skill to play 1x1x diety and do a really good job. and there is no need of hg, that shows, you dont understand this kind of game. hg, koloss and lh are fine balanced, even the pyramids are very usefull sometimes.

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                      • #12
                        Ok, for the last and final time I will make the challenge: NO ONE CAN BEAT ME ON DEITY WHEN I HAVE HG. Amazing how all the rooks who couldn't break top 10 on the real ladders on 2x2x went over to some stupid kraut site for 1x1x deity and now think they're bad ass. Woke did the same thing, he also was foolish and thought he could beat me without happy wonders.

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                        • #13
                          Eyes makes interesting points when he's discussing the game. More of those please.
                          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by deity
                            Yes, leaving cities undefended is a VERY viable strat

                            Eh, Horse?
                            Why, what happened?

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                            • #15
                              Please don't encourage Deity, you know how he gets
                              The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

                              Hydey the no-limits man.

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