Nicosar's Master Challenge

[Ming]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Could you quit with the horsist metaphors please?

Nahhh... if it pisses you off... so much the better

[Nicosar]

I apologize for the missing link, i really did want to show you my craftsmanship, which might've saved me some batting away of pesting remarks considering its quite optimal condition and I have gone back and edited it to take you to the right place. NICOSAR 1, is what you want, if I should ever put a new map it will be in the same place you can always go to in the first post of this thread, and that would be called NICOSAR 2, and it doesn't matter which maps they are beyond that since I will always know and anybody keeping up with this thread will know which ones are currently in use in the MASTER CHALLENGE I will regularly host.

All that other junk in there you can ignore, and if you're curious is all downloadable, but it is really nothing.

-Nicosar the Gameplayer-

[Ming]

Gee... he apologized... making even more progress

We respect (well, some of us do) the effort that people make to increase the entertainment of Civ II MP.

Just lose the attitude... and things will improve.

Keep on Civin'

[atawa]

Originally posted by Nicosar
Either way, me and this Atawa will face off again, hopefully in a slightly bigger map for expansion first and then war later, and I think that if I get 'lucky' a second time that I will have no choice but to admit to degradation. After all, I dont think even atawa would want to win by some sort of power-rating default and not in a contest of tactics. ( yes, expansion IS a tactic, I know, so please spare me)

10 city's with infrastructure and a couplf of wonders to 3, oh my, I was very lucky this game

Oh and you forgot to mention you choose settings, med map, temperate, big island, emp, raging, 7 civs.
I think this was the first time I even played those settings.

I'm counting on it that in the next game I get to choose settings so I at least have a slight chance to win

But as for the bigger map, I have no problem with that.
Lets play: 60x100, wet, warm, 5 bil, small, arch, 2x2x king, huts, no AI, a true master of the game should do well on ALL settings so you would have no problem in kicking my ass.

These settings also make sure neither of us starts in a position where we have to move 11 turns before building a city, but then again, from start you just could have moved one step NE and get a city with an oasis and forrest, good enough for a start.

BUT LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE AGREED TO A CLEAN START, 1 SETTLER AND NO EXTRA TECH.

i JUST LOOKED AT THE 4000BC SAVE AND WHY THE **** DIDNT YOU SAY YOU HAD BRONZE AND MAS?

Care to explain this in less then 2 paragraphs?

Atawa
Loyal subject of Ming the merciless

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by atawa


BUT LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE AGREED TO A CLEAN START, 1 SETTLER AND NO EXTRA TECH.

i JUST LOOKED AT THE 4000BC SAVE AND WHY THE **** DIDNT YOU SAY YOU HAD BRONZE AND MAS?

Oh dear

[rah]

Originally posted by atawa
BUT LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE AGREED TO A CLEAN START, 1 SETTLER AND NO EXTRA TECH.

i JUST LOOKED AT THE 4000BC SAVE AND WHY THE **** DIDNT YOU SAY YOU HAD BRONZE AND MAS?

Oh dear is right.

He was proably typing a 200 work king chat and forgot to check.

What seems more silly is that he's complaining about the starting position. All he would have had to do was say "TECHS" and he would have gotten a restart.
Most skillful.

RAH

[-Jrabbit]

I've gotta say, this is the most amusing thread I've seen on MP in awhile.

I'm impressed that, after all that initial blather and predictable follow-up flames, Nicosar actually got down and played someone, and has taken his medicine with (relative) grace.

Much more amusing than the usual "hello eyes" threads. (Just a little more work to read through.)

(signed)
Loyal Subject -Jrabbit

[Ming]

Originally posted by atawa
BUT LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE AGREED TO A CLEAN START, 1 SETTLER AND NO EXTRA TECH.

i JUST LOOKED AT THE 4000BC SAVE AND WHY THE **** DIDNT YOU SAY YOU HAD BRONZE AND MAS?

Oh dear

(and Attawa... you know the rules, if you are going to accuse somebody of cheating, you must show proof. Please post the 4000BC save so that everybody can see the evidence)

This just makes the fact that he was so far behind in sciences even funnier...

Elite player...

[rah]

Originally posted by Ming
(and Attawa... you know the rules, if you are going to accuse somebody of cheating, you must show proof. Please post the 4000BC save so that everybody can see the evidence)

I believe he did. No one had downloaded it yet though. I guess that shows who has established credibility here.

[Ming]

Originally posted by rah
I believe he did. No one had downloaded it yet though. I guess that shows who has established credibility here.

Damn... I was laughing so hard when I read that he had had a two tech lead and still got slaughtered that I didn't even see that attawa had included the attachment...

Time for a download...

[Ming]

Yep... it does indeed show that he started with two techs. As atawa says...

Care to explain this in less then 2 paragraphs?

But I wonder if he will even show his face around here again after that stunt...

I hope you didn't seriously hurt yourself when you hit the ground falling off of that very high horse...

[-Jrabbit]

Amusing, yes. BUT...

In light of recent revelations, I feel compelled to clarify my previous post. Nicosar quotes below have been slightly rearranged for clarity. No actual verbiage has been changed.

Originally posted by Nicosar
(*snipped* for brevity) I know what you say is true about a good player doing the best with bad luck...

Yeah, those two free techs were pretty unlucky...

Originally posted by Nicosar
(*snip*) ...I would prefer it a thousand times over again to be accused with long fingers than being nibbled at with little comments by little teeth...

I don't think "accused" is the issue. Per atawa's posted save -- Asked and Answered -- Case Closed.
Bring on the sharp, nibbling teeth! (suggest the Northern Snakehead )

Originally posted by Nicosar
(snip) ...but could you tell me that all of you would really respect that 'maximum effort for minimum condition' that I would ve displayed by doing that?

I just gotta say 2 things here.
1. I have always honored my commitment to play (Civ2 and all games), and have always been respected for that -- yes, by members of this forum in particular.
2. "Minimum condition" = 2 free techs?? Let me know how I can get that deal and still cry poor!

My feeling re the amusement value of this thread remains unchanged.

[Kuja]

i thought this guy wasn't going to post anymore until his 7 player game was over? dont tell me you already lost in that game too... heh...

[Nicosar]

Greetings all;

This message is intended for Atawa mostly, though also for those others who might need some clarification on the issue in order to leave the issue be upon reading this, and it concerns the game conditions that you have mentioned.

I know it may seem to you, young chap, that those first game settings were of my own construct but it is not so; you have read (I hope, since it would be slightly foolish for someone to post in a thread whose ACTUAL meaning has somehow elluded them) what kind of games I play, on what maps and rules, which I would hope you would download and peek to see my prefferred style of play, and unless memory betrays me you were the one to challenge me to a game on a random medium map on that fateful day, and unless you are so unlogical that this argument may as well go unsaid, I should think that all the other settings such as temperate and 3 bil. years and even choosing emperor and raging barbs (would you have them any less) were merely obvious necessities to generate a map of your choosing with quickest ease and minimum conferencing on what should be a simple task. I actually feel tricked, though more like someone that sees the covered-up hole in the ground and merely steps beside it, since in all but the most scrupulous details I entered your proposal, not the other way around.

Now, as for the next game you propose, you may choose that as well, even (though if there is a third I should let you know my feelings) but I will not under any circumstance play on 2x2x settings; I have played it but once years ago and, not loosing or anything too demanding of excuses, became disgusted by the level of corruption it wielded upon the game and have never touched it since. It is the equivalent of 'godmode' for Doom, or the all-weapons cheat for Grand Theft Auto, since like them it spoils the finer elements of a game that was intended to be harder and more precise, even though double production and such does not grant omnipotence. A catapult that can siege a city as if a howitzer, and a howitzer that can do the same as if a slow helicopter are things I hace tried to avoid in all my years of playing. I think maybe it can add diversity, but overall it is not worth it.

Otherwise I dont have any critique I can think to mention, but I will refer to your proposal for the second bout and let you know any further opinions I might have. Enlightning, I know.

As for the rest of you, I can only say that I hope, as I before have stated in other, more direct, manners that you will stop this driveling bickering amongst yourselves, for the honor of well-spoken strategists everywhere who choose to debate and not argue, since it is by no means and no longer of importance to me, event though I read them all first to check for any validity.

I am clearly disapointed with last game's results, of course, but my horse is a precious thing and will kneel to the ground if he feels I have been dismounted and we soon thereafter ride again.

[rah]

Gee, all that and no mention of the the two free techs. (unless I missed it in all that. )



I'm glad he takes himself seriously since I doubt many here will.

RAH
But I will agree with him about 2x movement, without taking half a page.