History PBEM

[sas]

The French Empire continues to upgrade its allready impressive industrial capabillities.

The French navy is holding a naval excercise south of Marseille. Foreign observers is welcome as long as they dont disturb the excercise.

Honoring the The Disraeli Proposal France have captured Barcelona and Zaragoza. The Spanish people welcomes the French troops. This might be the begining of a time of stabillity.

In a preemptive strike against possible rebels in Bern, French forces have put the city under french administration.

-Pierre Rousseau-

[sas]

And to those that where conserned about the wealth France would get from the capturing of Spanish Cities, there where no wealth at all. 0 (zero) plundered...

[Cyrion]

Disraeli Proposal

The Italian Foreign Secretary just came back from his Montalcino Estate and explained the position of King Vittorio Emanuele concerning the various international proposals!!

1. Spain: Italy agrees with the following suggestion:
Lisbon : Neutral
Cadiz, Madrid, Salamanca and Santander : British
Barcelona, Zaragoza and Valladolid : French
Valencia, Seville and the (without city) Balearic Islands: Italian

Furthermore, the King thanks the Ottoman for their mediation and congratulates the French and the British for their cool and reasonable treatment of the situation : we will be able to live and prosper peacefully under the spanish sun...

2. Italy doesn't agree with the attribution of Crete to Great-Britain: the island was venitian centuries before the Ottoman or the British first put a foot on it, and there is no reason why Italy should not reopen it's traditional trade posts there!! So King Vittorio Emmanuele says about Crete: let's the first who takes the island keep it!! Italy will respect the victor of the "Race to Creta"!!! The Brindisi Squadron was seen steaming out of the port last night...

3. Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits : Italy agrees with the proposal, but a further clause should be included: the Straits should be open to all civilian traffic (i.e. Ocean liners carrying freight)

4. Italy doesn't fully understand what this clause means!!

5. Italy agrees on the League of Nations and proposes an Austrian secretary-general .

[sas]

France applauds King Vittorio Emanuele attempt to negotiate a longterm solution for Spain.

But France has to object on the suggested division of Spain. The current proposal is clearly in Britains favour. Allthough Britain should get a sizable part of Spain, this is too much.

Frances suggestion:



Lisbon, Cadiz, Salamanca and Santander : British
Madrid, Barcelona, Zaragoza, Valencia and Valladolid : French
Seville and the (without city) Balearic Islands: Italian

[Cyrion]

King Vittorio Emanuele was heard laughing when the Foreign Secretary told him about a repartition leaving only Sevilla to Italy: "That's a good one!!! Those French have a really great sense of humour!!! Come on, it can only be a joke: they would never seriously offer only 1 city and a bunch of nearly useless islands..."

2 out of 10 is ok, 1 isn't ...

And the neutrality of Lisbon (instead of belonging to Britain) should balance things so that it's not too much in Britain's favour...

[sas]

If France agrees on the terms, will the Ottoman empire, Austria and Russia agree that Italy, France, Britain and Germany should have a say in the slaughter that is going on in the Baltic’s/Romania/Greece ? Not to mention Germanys attack on of Belgium and Holland.

And the future of Denmark, Sweden and Norway for that matter.....

If you agree, than I say we make a similar agreement for that area. I call for a halt on all offensive actions in that area until we can decide on a fair agreement.

Frances main problem is the double standard at work here. You don’t lift a finger when the Baltic’s (10 cities, 13 including Greece) is crushed, but you make a huge issue over the future of Spain and Portugal (10 cities). If you're not willing to agree to this demand, its obvious you are not after peace, just protecting your own interests.

Frances greedy and imperialistic demands

Speak for yourself...

-Pierre Rousseau-

[Cyrion]

Small clarification

King Vittorio Emanuelle wishes to remind his French friend that he was not claiming anything, but merely accepting a proposal Pierre Rousseau himself made earlier (about Sevilla and Valencia).

Furthermore, Sevilla is not a port, and wouldn't be really practical as a lonely city...

Italy is fully aware that Monsieur Rousseau and Mister Disraeli are only trying to find a peaceful solution that will guarantee the safety of the whole region, and assures them that we stand by their side to reach this honorable goal...

As for the neutrality of Lisbon, it was only a proposal: Italy will stay neutral on this matter...

[sas]

The Balkans is a completely different issue

This certainly proves my argument. You say slaughtering and conquering an area bigger than Spain is irrelevant?

Your hypocrisy is at least obvious to the French government. Am I really alone in this line of thought?

I hope the rest of you read my previous post, and comment on this. Because this is just ridiculous.

If France agrees on the terms, there won't be a war.

And if my reply is that if you don’t agree to my terms about the Balkans/Romania, there will indeed be a war?
Dont think you can threaten the French Empire and hope to continue a civilized dialog.

-Pierre Rousseau-

[sas]

In Balkans the neutral countries were just occupied

Remember this could have been the case in Spain as well. I could just as well done the same in Spain as Austria did in the Balkans.

the Ottoman Empire completely agrees on your terms about the Balkans

Thank you for your support. My diplomats where beginning to think we where living in two different set of realities here.

The Ottoman Empire didn't want to threaten France

The Ottoman Empire is to far away to be considered a serious threat at the moment. But Austrias rattling with his guns is unsettling and would have sparked some French response.
Believe it or not, France is not interested in a war either. But we
demand to be treated according to our situation and with the respect that comes with it. Remember I am in a position to do what i originally planned. I wont do that now offcourse, just something to remember.


I will in principal agree to Italys proposal if (and only if) we can work out the situation on the Balkans, Scandinavia, Greece/Crete and Belgium/Holland. But i still maintain that Britain is getting the most of it. He will in effect controll about
40-50% of the country.

-Pierre Rousseau-

[sas]

France proposes:

Belgium/Holland:

*Liege to France
*Brussels to Britain
*Amsterdam and Nijmegen to Germany

Balkans/Romania:

Austria: Belgrade, Pec, Craiova and Burcharest
Russia: Galati and Constanta
Ottoman: Varna, Sofia, Pleven and Pristina
Italy: Podgorica

Scandinavia:

Germany: Schieswig, Alborg and Copenhagen
Britain: Stavanger and Gotenborg
Russia: Kalmar and Stockholm

Greece:

British rule against compensation to Ottoman


Crete:

British rule

Spain:

Britain: Valladolid, Cadiz, Salamanca and Sanatandar
France: Madrid, Barcelona and Zaragoza
Italy: Valencia and Seville
Portugal neutral

[The ANZAC]

I decline the French proposal. Nations of Europe let us work this out amongst ourselves. Italy, France, and Britain will negotiate on Spain.

Portugal is MINE! It is a protectorate of Britain and I will not allow some third world nation like Italy to push around the British Empire!

France there is no need to get involved in spheres of influence which aren't yours!

Now onto Italy: The Status of Land Treaty states that after all the land is divied up, all land shall remain under that country's control, unless bought or sold, for 5 years. Then it will come up for renewal.

Also the British government views the Dardanelles quesion as something that Russia and Turkey should control. Period. No one else should have control over it.

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by sas

Balkans/Romania:

Austria: Belgrade, Pec, Craiova and Burcharest
Russia: Galati and Constanta
Ottoman: Varna, Sofia, Pleven and Pristina
Italy: Podgorica

Austro-Hungarian Empire Enraged!!

This will not be met, if any forces try to occupy this land, they will be fired upon, the French have no say in the Balkans what so ever, in the matter of Spain, Austria is completely neutral.

Another matter, is of certain agreements if the Ottoman Empire goes back on agreements, she better not think of it, for that would mean a world of dishonour.

(haven't been here for 2 days, working hard!)


BTW- Austria has a say in the Med, for its fleet is there, same with all nations, except Germany/Russia, although, only Italy/France/Britian have a say in Spain , so they should sort it out by themselves.

If the French Empire wants lands in the Balkans, or anyother Nationalites other than Austrians/Turks there will be a battle of Austrian Steel and Foreign Flesh

-SW

[Scott F]

Germany will not relinquish its protection over the Low Countries of Belgium, Holland, and Luxembourg, and will not consider any proposal that demands such absurdities.

[Scott F]

Nothing much happened.

[sas]

If the French Empire wants lands in the Balkans,

You obviously havent read any of my proposition have you?
France have NEVER had ANY territorial ambitions in eastern europe. I thought my proposition was pretty clair on that point.

Now i hope you at least can read the CAPITAL letters.