Proposed New Diplo Game (USA Sat nights)

[deity]

Keep the other thread, started by Epik, clean...

Keep using this thread for game organisation, rules, etc but use Epik's WHEMDD thread for the diplo stories.

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With tech stealing I think it's really important that it be seen as an act of war and needs to be part of the civs stories.

So, if Epik has stolen from Makeo it makes sense for there to be a greater chance of war between these two civs.

Ie, Dangimes warning about 'friendly tech stealing' in a 'no tech trade' game is very important for us to guard against. We need to trust each other and work it in to the stories. War must make some sense.

Likewise with no alliances. It is expected that the first civ you meet is likely to be a 'friend' and that a peace treaty would most likely be signed but there should be no collusion, no co-ordinating of tactics etc. We are 6 civs AGAINST each other.

Are we all on the same page? Have I got it right?

[winzity]

Tech stealling is an act of war!

I warned Diety about the problem with friendly tech stealing. Maybe Dangime did it too, else Diety have mistake who did it.

Anyway the ONLY way to get this game to work is to FORBID tech stealing. The only tech you will get from others is the ones you get when you capture cities.

It will be completely forbidden to use diplomats to steal techs even in war, if all player can accept this very simple consequences of the game rules about forbidden tech exchanges.

[Frank Johnson]

Are you saying I did it? For the record, I dont have writing yet so there! :P

[Makeo]

tech stealing must be allowed, otherwise once someone gets a technological advantage the game is over.

[Epik]

Tech Stealing

I see no problem with Tech Stealing. Yes it can be considered an act of war. It is up to the victum to decide whether they want to send out their army to punish the theif.

In our game I was willing to risk war. Normally I can get to Monarchy by at least 2000BC but in this game I was not getting to choose Code of Laws. So I decided to try and steal from Makeo. I was lucky to get Monarchy from my theft.

I think that there are enough costs and risks involved to keep the theiving to a minimum. You lose the diplo, you can only steal once from a city (unitl spys), you don't necessarily get the tech you need, and you risk having war declared.

I also do not have a problem with "friendly" tech theft. It is still costly in units and the time it takes to accomplish.

As Makeo says, tech theft is a way for the tribes that are trailing in the game to catch up. We need to give all of the players a chance, so that the game will stay interesting for them, and then they will not be tempted to quit.

[Epik]

Don't forget to tell your story

Hydey, Makeo and Winzity....

Post your stories in http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=46245

We all want to know the history of your civs.

[winzity]

Our history is clean - We don't steal techs...

[Makeo]

hey guys aus land went to daylight savings last week and we don't do it until tomorrow so you guys have to be here an hour early i think

[Makeo]

i can't write my story because i don't have my civ disk all this week hopefully my friend brings it back today.

[deity]

we start in 35 mins

9am Sunday morning here in Eastern Australia (EST)
two hours earlier than before for Aussies only - but we stick, therefore, with the same but NEW Daylight time in USA....

we start in 35 mins

[deity]

WE are a weekend out!

USA is still on OLD time because it is their Sat night.

WE went to normal time in Aust LAST weekend but last year it happened on the same weekend - bloody confusing!

Anyway, we therefore start in about an hour and half...

[Makeo]

nah we'll start in 2 and a half hours cos hydey won't figure it out.

[deity]

Re: Tech Stealing

Originally posted by Epik
I see no problem with Tech Stealing. Yes it can be considered an act of war. It is up to the victum to decide whether they want to send out their army to punish the theif.

In our game I was willing to risk war. Normally I can get to Monarchy by at least 2000BC but in this game I was not getting to choose Code of Laws. So I decided to try and steal from Makeo. I was lucky to get Monarchy from my theft.

I think that there are enough costs and risks involved to keep the theiving to a minimum. You lose the diplo, you can only steal once from a city (unitl spys), you don't necessarily get the tech you need, and you risk having war declared.

I also do not have a problem with "friendly" tech theft. It is still costly in units and the time it takes to accomplish.

As Makeo says, tech theft is a way for the tribes that are trailing in the game to catch up. We need to give all of the players a chance, so that the game will stay interesting for them, and then they will not be tempted to quit.

For the record this was not my expectation Epik.

What I was looking forward to was a game where you fundamentally relied on your own tech tree other than the spoils of war and any theft that went with it.

This friendly tech stealing is tedious and takes out the fin IMHO.

The game will still be good either way but I would prefer that we ban all tech stealing. This is what I think would be the best and most interesting challenge...

Can everyone vote now, before the start of todays session?

[OzzyKP]

Just in case y'all need it, I'm rather bored and I can sub tonight.

[Frank Johnson]

Banning it would be the simple and sure solution I guess.

However now you guys are getting into my territory.

By that I mean, instead of colluding to catch up in tech, you'll have to take "other corrective measures" to even games up. I hope you guys understand this concept. I do.