Proposed New Diplo Game (USA Sat nights)

[deity]

Raz is available!

Raz is online and ready to start!

He says he can semi-regularly play.

We should start if it looks like we have 6 or 7 players ready to go.

Epik is b/u host.

I'll respond to Epik's post shortly....

[deity]

Originally posted by Epik
I am concerned that Normal Landmass and Varied Land Form could cause one or more tribe to get stuck starting on an island. When I try it, the number of islands seems to be reduced when choosing either Large Landmass or Contintents (you do not need to choose both to reduce the number of islands to an acceptable level). Also, a Large Landmass (or Continents) would give the 7 tribes more room to develop without having to go to a larger map size.

You may be correct, I'm not sure, but it's nice to keep some variety in the terrain and the fun in discovering islands, using them strategically, etc. But maybe your settings give the best of both worlds. If everyone agrees, try Large Landmass with Varied Landform?

The Wet Climate seems to create more rivers, but it also creates more swamps and jungles. I would prefer the Normal Climate, but I can live with Wet, since the game seems to spread things out evenly.

All my tests with Dang's settings have producued excellent maps - wet, cool, 4 bill. Swamps don't dominate.

If you take away alliances and tech trading, don't you also eliminate most of the diplomatic part of the game? It doesn't leave much else to negotiate. I certainly don't want to see permanent alliances develop, but I would hope that self interest would eventually cause an alliance to break up. Tech stealing agreements can be a funky because until you get spys you don't get to choose the tech. Allowing Tech Trading allows you to negotiate a price (gold or another tech). I also think that Tech Trading can keep the game going longer. At some point one player will develop a big lead and without tech trading it can get pretty hopeless for those that fall behind. When it gets hopeless for some of the players, then the game will probably collapse.

I thought about this but on balance and based on experience I think we do tend to form long term blocs. It's a bit of a security blanket I suppose.

If a civ gets a great lead I'm sure six others with spies etc can change the course of history. The game is NEVER over in my book LOL Plus SDI is OK and spies can get around that....

That said... I am still willing to play the game without alliances and tech trading. I would like to hear how you think the problems I mentioned can be overcome.

I like the One Wonder per Civ rule. It will be interesting to see which one people go for. Is it gonna be a problem if someone captures a Wonder City, and they already have a wonder of their own? If it is, then we should probably go with the No Wonders.

I think if a civ loses a Wonder, then, oh well they lost a Wonder!! You now have two So, theoretically one civ could end up with 7 Wonders - sounds poetic, I like it!

Good points Epik and thanks. It made me think a bit!

[Rasputin]

The Great God in heaven looked around and saw in hte distance a world he had not returned to since time began. As he zoomed in on the wolrd he notcied notihng much had changed hteir and then he relized that he had forgotton to start time . So in a blink of his eyethe sands of time begun for this remote world. He saw groups of setters begin to look around thensleves and begin to explore, Ahhh , thought the great god , time for a nother civilization ~~~~~~~~

[winzity]

Anybody that will play Civ 2 tonight? Welcome to ICQ me if you want one more player for this session.

[Rasputin]

Unfortuantly this worlsd turns out to be very biased towrds certain tribes and others not so goos, due to this lack of abillity to expand , or even compete it takes all fun out of the game, especially with no tech tradingallowed to aid the smaller cvivs... i vote let deity and makeo duke it out in duels from now on, i sticking to civ3 where it fun even if you are lsoing!!!

[Hydey]

And the oscar for the best sooking in a civ game goes to





Its a tie, frank and Raz are the kings of the sook once again



Thats 5 years in a row for Raz, I am surprized that Frank could match the master this year.

[Frank Johnson]

ERrrrr us likey live in hut, us better than caves. We livin here in icy place. duhhhhh, er wah. Icy good. Hahah BURP hahah blarge.

[Frank Johnson]

Errr here be Hydey. Him live in green place withum big rivers and whales. Him like seal us in icy land place. is really fun play tho hahaha.

[Hydey]

lol @ frank, what a funny old fellow.

[deity]

DEITIAN boundaries

Much unrest in this world... Lord deity is wanting to spread goodwill to all men. The following boundaries are the reasonable request of THE DEITIAN nation.
Seeing the plight of our Southern neighbours it is being considered that deitiraz (circled in red) be ceded permanently to the Mongols.
The river systems to the East and SE of the DEITIAN nation will remain free for Roman settlements.
All lands West of our Chariot are to be negotiated with Makeozacoatl when he agrees to trade maps, otherwise we shall push Westward... with many Chariots


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[deity]

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[deity]

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[Frank Johnson]

In all seriousness, we should consider canning this game. Already we have two players who really have no interest in the game. I know you'll come out with all this "consensus" whitewash, but we already know diplo games don't work that way, all it took was fodder to kill the much more progressed sat night game.

[Hydey]

frank may be right

I feel the unever starts in this game leave it almost unplayable, I would rather start afresh this week than waste 2 more weeks only to scrap the game then. I don't see much point of starting on a random map only to then ,once discovering the map , divide it up to even things out, we might as well start on a premade map.

[deity]

I don't know why you bother!

You all agree to start on a random map for its mystery etc.
Then you see things purely in terms of war and needing equal starts, totally missing the point of what a diplo is all about.
I propose diplomatic solutions above, as far as the neighbours I've contacted are concerned, and all I hear is this pathetic whinging.

The Earth map is not an equal start either. I love getting a rough start and seeing what I can do with it.



I don't want to play whingers.