2001 Players Tourney, Round 1: Group B - Markus (Host), Deity, Hydey, Makeo

[deity]

Play on as a non-tourney game though!

But, I meant to say, I'm happy to play it out for fun but not the tourney!

[Hydey]

Re: Game is corrupted

Originally posted by deity
Hydey said all deals are off

I said all deals are off until we know what we are left with.

eg how can I exchange the 2 cities I captured off you for 2 cities you capture from the romans if the romans are removed from the game. All I want to do is wait and see where cavebear leads us and then decide what I am to do.

I see no point in sending demands via ICQ as to what I have to do until we know what form the game is to take.

Please continue , I have finished ranting now.

[deity]

yeah, whatever

What you said Hydey just proves my point...

But I'll do whatever cavebear decides.

[cavebear]

Deity, I'm afraid you make a good point about the consequences of a non-Tourney player in the game. I had in mind that the replacement player could still capture points, so that you would all have to fight that person for your own points, but saw only half the problem. The replacement player wouldn't be worrying about his *own* points and could just become a maniacal trouble-maker.

I agree that a replacement player will not work in this case.

The two best alternatives are for you guys to start a new game (on a new map) or for me to remove the Romans and adjust the landmass (at the year of your mutual choice).

In the second option, I would remove most of the land where the Roman were, leaving enough for the Spanish and Greeks to have a border. Then, since the Germans would not have much access to that new land, I would add some to theirs.

What do you guys think?

[Makeo]

I think removing the romans and land is a good option.

but i also have no problem starting a new game.

in fact i don't really care either way. both are acceptable options to me so you can choose..see what the other guys think.

[cavebear]

OK...

[Hydey]

whatever

Both options are OK with me as well.

[deity]

what a shame...

This was such a good game and I'm so reluctant to start yet another game. Markus is not even answering my icq's now

I would prefer to continue with this game since we've come so far but with the other two allied I'm in the most vulnerable position so any map adjustments would need to be carefully worked out. I think I'm strategically disadvantaged whatever the option unless Markus returns. A revised map with 3 players or a 4th replacement player for the Romans is equally bad for me

But, may as well carry on for the fun. There will be other tourneys... I hope... cavebear????

Thanks for all your efforts and patience btw.

So, if we continued from where we are on a revised map without the Romans I reckon we need to go from where we are.
Hydey has Antium and the Wonders. Makeo says no to this but I can't see why not nor can I see how you change that.
Maybe Hydey honours some of the deals with me, maybe not... I don't trust him anymore
All I can say is any back stabbing I did was in the context of the game.
he he
But Markus and I will never trust each other again!

So, cavebear, how is this done?

Can you have a go at altering the map as discussed whilst maintaining the current state of play, ie at the beginning of the Spanish/Makeo turn in 1300AD? I think the current geographical relativity should be maintained btw. How the hell do you do this editing? Do you have to spend hours building it up as a scenario?

[deity]

Kill civ!

Why don't we just kill the Roman civ?

That's what we did in last years tourney and we also agreed not to settle the killed civs land - it was regarded a wasteland. I think this would be a little fairer.

[Makeo]

why would this be fairer than killing civ and turning land into ocean?

[deity]

Can't do any of these!

Can't kill off Romans because all my trade is with Romans!

What a friggin mess.

It gets back to using a replacement player

[cavebear]

Restart the game

It appears the only option is to start a new game. It will be the 3 of you, the scoring will stay for 4 so that the winner will get as many points as the winners of the other groups. I will send the new map to Hydey.

[Hydey]

Lets try this again

I have received the new map from cavebear and will not open it until we start. As host I will choose my civ last .
Lets start again my friends.

[Makeo]

and we'll make sure we knock deity out early

[cavebear]

The Rules

Good luck to all in the new game.

And try to follow these guidelines, please...

Incremental Rush Buying - OK
Ship Chaining - NO
Gifting cities/units/caravans - NO
Hitting wait so a plane doesn't crash - NO
Formal Strategic Alliances - NO
Continuing to build a wonder after its been built - OK
Tech stealing, Embassies, sabotage - OK
Caraporting - NO
Adjusting city resources during a turn to maximize trade benefits - OK
Building an Airbase to increase production - NO
City/Unit trading/bribing- NO