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**drake** · April 19, 2001, 00:38

Last weeks session update will be going up tonight I promise!

So does anyone else want to add demographic stats or not? It's totally up to you guys...

I'll be looking forward to tommorow nights game....anxious to see what will happen as a result of that war.

**drake** · April 19, 2001, 09:19

Alright, the site has been updated. All the new stats are in place. I'll put the new demographics section after next session as long as everyone is willing to participate. Thie means recording your demographics and either posting or sending them to me. (No Screenshots please, just the numbers)

See evryone tonight.......lets get that 5 minute timer in effect and get rolling

**The Capo** · April 20, 2001, 00:09

Alright people, last time our host didn't DL the new rules.txt, so there was a slight issue. I want this session to go down without a hitch, so I am asking anyone that reads this to try and be a half hour early.

You can get the new rules.txt at http://members.aol.com/nkreefer/rules.txt

It is important that you DL this, especially if you are going to host. Most likely Easthaven will be host, but we'll see. So EVERYONE PLEASE grab the rules.txt, some people reported that instead of going into download the rules.txt simply appears in their browser window. If this occurs with you RIGHT CLICK the window, a menu will appear, select save as and save it into the proper directory (.../civ2/scenarios/hotw2, or whatever other variant you have) as rules.txt, if it asks you to overwrite the old rules.txt say yes.

I know you guys are not idiots, but I've had many experiences in the past that warrant me to explain everything like this. A few of you are familiar with what I mean.

If everyone shows up a half hour early we can get started and get things going. Remember tonight we start with our five minute turn limit, so you should refer to your save files beforehand, so you don't waste time getting re-acquainted. As far as complaints about the five minute time limit, I think they are unwarranted and five minutes is too much time at this juncture in the game. So ay complaints that five minutes isn't enough are ridiculous and will be considered that way. Handle upkeep, negotiations and discussion in your off-turns.

I'm at work now so I should be on ICQ, I am getting set to head out for lunch if you need to ICQ me I'll be back between 2:30 and 3:00 pm Eastern US time. I want to make sure everything goes perfectly this time, we really need a well executed-session.

Peace.

**Guest** · April 20, 2001, 00:27

If you spent as much time playing as you do talking about it we might actually get somewhere.... dude

Thanks a lot.. we were all set for a long session and you don't have any reasonable excuse for stopping when you did. And it's NOT the first time.

I'll commit to at least 4 hours next week.

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**drake** · April 20, 2001, 09:16

I agree with what deity said......I have lots of things to say, but they're probably better off left un-said.

Lets try for an early start next week. How about 630-7 EST? Can everyone do that? I don't think we should tack time on the end of the session, as it is getting late at night by that time...I think any added time should go on the front end............

It was an interesting session, despite the annoying and confusing conclusion.

**The Capo** · April 20, 2001, 09:20

Alright, I want to make a few comments here.

First of all, I left after 11:00, we are supposed to stop at 11:00 according to our time frame. I have stayed later in the past, and I think that getting angry at someone for leaving at our set time is ridiculous especially if it is only a one time thing.

This is different than Dimbleby, he did it regularly and without telling people, and without allowing for leeway. I said I had to leave at 11:00, you guys were complaining, Deity asked me to play my turn to "see me fight" so I did that and then saved. I didn't just shove off either, I told you guys I had to go.

If anyone else is angry about this, the only thing I can say is that I am sorry, and this is the last time it will happen. I had to pick up my girlfriend from work, she got off at 10:00 and was there for an hour waiting. Its not a good excuse but that is what was going on. I really really really don't know what else to say other than what I've said, and that is "Sorry, it won't happen again."

If you guys want to change our official playtime we can discuss that. I suggest either 7:00pm - 11:00pm (EST, US) or 8:00pm - 12:00am (EST, US). But she tells me to pick her up at 10:00, I told her I can't leave until 11:00 its something I had planned already, and she said okay be here at 11:10, so I had to leave. I'm sorry, but I made as much preparations as I could, its not fair to leave her waiting longer.

So we can either change our official time, or not complain when every once and a while someone has to leave on time.

Peace.

**GNGSpam** · April 20, 2001, 09:23

Uh oh

By the way, I agree, lets all plan on playing 4 to 5, maybe even 6 if we are feeling frisky. The 5 minute time limit worked like a charm. Most people did all their moves in 3 to 4 minutes. It seems that having a ticking clock makes people more concious of their time and they move faster.

I thenk we should plan on starting at 7 est.

BY THE WAY There has been MUCH confusion. STARTING AT 7 means the game BEGINS at that time. So you need to SHOW UP at 630, so we can get all of the mandatory pregame screw ups out of the way.

If this is a problem, please post here, dont tell us on game-day.

If we all practice a bit of common curteousy. Imagine this is your Prom date. I know its a computer game, but we are real people with real commitments, so its important that we all try to be civil and polite.

**The Capo** · April 20, 2001, 09:31

Adriatic Official Statement:

Let it be known that the Adriatic League has attacked the Mongolian Republic. We had many grievances with the Mongolian Republic beforehand, none of which were resolved. We were treated in a most disrespectful manner, by not only Mongolia, but her allies the Chinese and obviously her allies the Australians.

These grievances shall now be lineated in order to explain the actions of the Adriatic League, though we hold that we are in no obligation to explain our position; the first issue was the border situation. After we moved the border back it was promptly populated by Mongolian soldiers. This is not bothersome if left to that alone, however the methodology the Mongols used on our border was quite questionable. Constant shifts in garrisons, constant movement of mounted units, and build ups on specifically weak areas of Adriatic defenses lead us to believe that the Mongols were preparing for some sort of military maneuver. The great Australian Military Teacher Sun Tsu once said "When some of the army moves, while others sit and talk, something is amiss." Therefore, we felt something was amiss.

We suggested that we both build infrastructure in order to improve trade in the area. The Zulu nation had asked about the quality of roads in central Asia and we were embarassed to admit that they were sub-standard, especially for nations as powerful as the Adriatic League and Mongolia. When we suggested to Mongolia that we connect some of our roads and irrigation so things go quicker, and trade comes faster, they scoffed at the plan and accused us of attempting to gain access to their territory. Again Mongolia disrespected us, possibly showing they had something to hide.

When the Mongols complained of an Adriatic Legion in their territory (northern Siberia) they asked if they could escort the soldier back to AL Territory, we kindly obliged. However the Mongolian Chariot that escorted the unit did so in a way as not to allow it to return to Orsoni, which was the first AL city on the border. Again, showing aggressive tendencies.

In North America, a Mongolian Diplomat was seen headed towards the new colony of Vendetta. When we asked about him no answer was given. Again, a sign of disrespect and deception.

It was among these points that we decided to strike. We did not want to be attacked first, we wanted to make the first strike against Mongolia. Mongolia and her allies are blatant imperialists, plain and simple. Australia's war against us, Chinese complaints about troops that were not in her official territory, among these actions by the Mongols have shown us that this is the truth. We had no time to waste.

Our interest is in peace, however we realize that such a thing could never be achieved. The Australians demanded territory from both the AL and the Mali in exchange for peace! Clearly the Pacific Pact is a belligerent entity, bent on gaining vast colonial empires. We hope for peace, we wish for peace, and we believe peace will one day be achieved. Sadly, you must break something down before it is built back up...

King Cosimo D'Medici.

**easthaven** · April 21, 2001, 01:54

Adriatic League attacked Mongolia:

The signs of aggression that I witnessed came from the Adriatic League. Three times they crossed the border and trespassed on Mongolian territory, which is very disrespectful I might add, and each time we kindly asked them to return to their own nation. Their legion was in Mongol territory for 2 weeks. The last game I subbed, that legion was there and I asked him to please remove it. 2 weeks later I play and it is still there (very disrespectful) and I kindly ask again to remove it. This time I have a chariot to escort it back to his territory so I can make sure it actually gets back. I tell him that once he crosses the border he may do as he wish with the legion, but as it is on Mongol soil I want it to move directly west which is the quickest way back to the Adriatic League. If he would have moved southward he would have ran into one of my cities.

As for the border, he had three legions on his border and an archer, an elephant in a fortress on an adjecent square of my city Venice and another elphant by it, and for the longest time he had a few crusaders (that is what I call suspicions of a military maneuver). That is when I had only one horseman on my southern side of the border so I decided to place more units on my side of the border since it seemed he was showing hostility. I was merely protecting my country.

AD600 the beginning of Thursday's 4/19/01

AD720 I placed pikemen on the border to match the legions, nothing more nothing less, and I was moving my knight to Venice to better protect my city from those 2 elephants.

The 3rd time he trespassed on Mongol territory. He's says he didn't know it was Mongol territory. Later do I know it is the front line of an offensive attack against us Mongolians! I suspect he's been planning it for years.

I had no intention in attacking, I was only focusing on increasing Mongol economy. The Adriatic League are the ones who have been disrespectful. As for King D'Medici's "interest in peace" I say pah! such foolish words to come from the mouth of a war hungry dictator. The Adriatic League's treachury will not go unpunished!

Consul Easthaven X
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**Guest** · April 21, 2001, 05:51

East, I looked at your latest attempt at inserting an image.
The way you did it looks correct now but there must be a small problem with the url itself - maybe a capital letter is wrong. It only needs one wrong character or fullstop or slash to screw it up... double-check the link's spelling.

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**The Capo** · April 22, 2001, 00:49

"Forgive me father, for I have sinned..."

"My son, tell me of your sins."

"I have many father, I have committed all of the Lord's sins. I am a terrible terrible man."

"No man can be perfect my son, confess and you shall be obsolved."

"I fear that I will committ sins again, my occupation necessitates it. I have no place to turn father, I am a pathetic man."

"We are all the lambs of God my son, he loves us all, no man can be without hope as long as their faith lies in his wisdom."

"Father-"

"What is your occupation my son?"

"I musn't tell you, for you shall know my identity."

"Aye, I have travelled throughout Europe and Africa my son, I have met men of all occupations, even royalty. There's no way your occupation would divulge your identity."

"Father-"

"In the event that your occupation does require you to break the laws of the Lord, you should leave such occupation. For it is surely illegal."

"Some say it is illegal Father. Some say it conflicts with the basic laws of nature."

"My son you must confess, for your sins shall be forgiven, you may repent and renounce your sinful ways. There is nothing more to tell you, such is the way of the Lord, his forgiveness must be achieved by faith."

"Father, I have committed..."

The blood splattered upon Colisimo's face as he cut into the Monogolian soldier, his teeth clenching, his brow tight and wrinkled. The battle before him seemed like a sea of death, never ending into the dusky horizon. He turned and saw Hector, one of his best friends, pulling his crimson sword out of the stomach of a Mongol. Hector looked at Colisimo and smiled, he then bellowed a mighty yell and leaped foward, hitting another Mongolian in the forehead with the butt of his sword. A fleet of mounted units rushed by Colisimo, they were Templars they cut into the first Mongolian flank, which seperated the Muslim(?) troops. The infantry made short work of the dispersing units. He turned to the side and saw an Adriatic convulsing on the ground, a dagger in his throat, his stomach ripped apart, he was staring blankly into the sky. Colisimo pushed forward, knocking over a Mongol who had fallen upon a pike, and shoving his sword into the back of another who was about to stab a fallen European. He reached his hand down to help him up "Thank you Colisimo, are you wounded?" asked the European.
"Nay, I have yet to be cut, you?" replied Colisimo.
"Aye, I have, my leg has a gaping wound" he pulled up the mail to show Colisimo the cut.
"My, it is horrific!" said Colisimo.
"Aye, I fear I shall lose the limb, but I must fight on." said the European.
"Go to then, there is nothing we can do for you, the Alchemist cart is far back, nearly a mile." said Colisimo as he shoved his sword into a charging Mongolian.
"The battle seems close to finish my friend." said the European.
"Aye, it does, HOLD!" Colismo yelled to a mounted knight.
"Yes my son?" said the Knight.
"Please, my friend has been cut, you must take him to the alchemy cart, tis back a ways up the trail."
"I hope I don't miss the end of the battle, eh? Very well, come up I shall ride you back." said the Knight as he helped the European upon his horse, "YAH!" he yelled as the horse turned and galloped the other way, Colisimo stared and turned, the battle seemed close to finish.
"WE HAVE WON! WE ARE VICTORIOUS!" yelled anohter Knight as he raised his sword into the air.
The remaining Adriatic soldiers, who were many, did likewise. One raised a blood-drenched Adriatic flag into the air. Everyone was smiling and hugging, a few Mongols still moved and some of the soldiers were shoving their swords into their stomachs. A few men lifted up a Mongolian flag and pulled it as another ripped his sword through its center slicing it in two. A Templar soldier galloped through on his horse and planted a cross into the ground and lifted his sword into the air, everyone cheered. Colisimo looked upon this scene and fell to his knees, he pulled out his rosary and began the prayers...

**The Capo** · April 24, 2001, 08:23

Speech by Cosimo D'Medici; Orenburg, Uralksy....

There comes a time in the life of a man when his words are challenged by nature. There comes a time in the life of a man when his conviction, his beliefs, and his credibility are put to test. For the Adriatic League that time is now... Last week a massive assault was conducted against the Mongolian Republic. The Mongolian government has asked "why?", well my friends of the East, I shall now explain. For centuries an entity so massive in size and influence festered among the Eastern tribes like a virus. Peice by peice, bit by bit, sucking the independancy out of every nation in Asia and regurgitating it into some faceless, emotionless, convictionless and uniform rhetoric. They expected to go unchallenged; however they did not. It is clear to any man, whether a well-educated man or a fool, who is in charge of this alliance. Australia. Australia has created the most dominating force the Earth has ever laid eyes upon. Nearly all of Asia, save a few small plots of Adriatic and Israeli land, is owned by this congolmeration. Countless islands and vast stretches of colonial territory serve as curtilage to this massive and dominating conglomeration. Mongolia shares the largest international border in the world with her neighbors the Israelites and the Adriatic League, but what about her allies? China is completely surrounded by the Mongols, Australia on the other hand is safely hidden away in the depths of the Pacific Ocean, with not a single enemy for thousands upon thousands of miles. In an attempt to undermine the sovreignty of Western powers, the Australian Republic decided to invade our Mediterranean Ocean and spit on our treaty, the FAWT agreement. The Chinese for their part gave no respect towards the land grant they recieved from the global community, gave no thanks, gave nothing. These two nations have forever spat upon all decency and respectability. But as one is seperated from us by thousands of miles of ocean, and the other tucked away in the recesses of Asia, the Adriatic League was unable to respond strongly... A friend of my enemy is my enemy! Thus anyone who holds Australia in any type of high regard, anyone who holds intercourse with this nation upon the seas, land, or upon a treaty is my enemy! Anyone who signs into an alliance, promising mutual defense, and perpetual friendship and cooperation with my enemy IS MY ENEMY! Therefore, as we could not possibly hurt Australia we decided the time was right to show the Mongols the error of their ways. They say to me, they plea "Cosimo, we never spoke or acted against the Adriatic League, why do you attack us?" If the Mongols truly had no inclination that I would attack them, I seriously doubt their leadership abilities. To the Mongols I have nothing but respect, they are a trustworthy people, they believed that they could trust me despite the fact that I was at war with their ally. Some may say this is a weakness, however I believe if applied correctly it could be a strength; honor is a strength. I have nothing against Mongolia, my war is with Australia and this wretched Pacific Pact. In closing I wish to say this to the Mongolian officers and commanders; when you look accross that battlefield, when the day is done and the dust settles, when you look out upon a sea of blood-soaked dead Mongols. When you are being carted away by our soldiers like mules, remember why it is happening. Remember your allies the Australians, remember their flag, the shape of their country, remember everything. Then remember the battle, remember how our troops ran roughsod over yours with no remorse or mercy, remember when you took those glances to your left, your right and to your back. Remember when you waited to see the Australian flag rise over the horizon, remember when you were saddened... because that is when you shall realize Mongolia, that they are NOT COMMING. They will not rush over the hills to protect you, they will not send some powerful and dominating Legion towards the battlefield. Australia shall not come to your aide. So when your men are being gutted, being slaughtered like pathetic swine, remember why. And know that help is NOT on the way...

**sekong** · April 24, 2001, 18:55

So, a war is finally launched...

**easthaven** · April 24, 2001, 22:43

The Outraged Easthaven X, Consul of Mongolia-Palace in Karakorum, Mongolia:

The treacherous Adriatic infidels have attacked our great nation. They have attacked with impunity. However, they will face the consequences, they WILL be punished for their foolish acts. The only blood Mongolians will be soaked in is the blood of the ADRIATICS! They say we will never see the Australian flag, well we will see the Australian flag as well as the Chinese, but most of all the Adriatic League will be seeing the Mongolian flag coming over the horizon! And the LAST thing the Adriatic League will see is the Mongolian flag being waved by a Mongolian soldier standing on the tallest hill in Orsoni. We will no longer tolerate such treachery from such terrorists!! They will pay!!! That is a promise to all of Mongolia! The Adriatic League will pay in BLOOD!! They dare challenge our great nation to a fight! They caught us off guard but we know that a Mongolian soldier will always rise to the occasion to kill a few Adriatics. The Pacific Pact will not fail, Mongolia will not fall!!! Mongolia and our strong allies will be victorious!! The Adriatics slaughter a few of our border patrols and they think they are powerful enough to take on one of the most powerful nations in the world?! Such ignorant fools!!! I must tell that King D’Medici and his loyal dawgs, when you see your cities in ruins and your fields in ashes, your soldiers mutilated and the Mongolian army marching across your lands you better remember those Mongolian faces you saw decapitating your men. You had better remember that Mongolian flag waving in victory. You had better remember that day when you decided to mess with this Mongolian nation! THEY WANT A WAR, WE WILL GIVE THEM A WAR!!!!……..

**Guest** · April 24, 2001, 23:28

Editorial in "The Australian" newspaper - 0.01 gold
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Another attack by the AL upon Aussie soldiers in Central America!
But they failed....

After the Aussies captured Cuba in the previous period the war with the AL ebbed. Vast distance separates our two nations but the AL, so keen to see blood, couldn't wait till they could launch an invasion on Australia. Instead, they trick their neighbour and attack them! It's a bit like beating up your friend because your worst enemy is interstate!!!!

How weak?

How pathetic!

We did not wish this war.

But the AL and their running dogs sank a peaceful Aussie ship and attacked innocent soldiers protecting their colonies. AL are Gutless wonders.

Paul our great leader said:

"We swear allegience to our allies and will use all the resources at our disposal to aid the Mongols in this war."

We seek other nations in the world to wake up to this evil threat that permeates from Europe. They preach one thing but at the heart of the matter their leaders enjoy being bloodthirsty war-mongering sons of *****es to be sure.... but they sit in their dining rooms in Venice as though it were a story.

Their key weapon is rhetoric and playing the bureaucratic game to cement power for their leaders. But the poor AL nation, the people, are being conscripted into armies and fighting wars they did not even wish to be involved in. For, they are not soldiers, they are family men and boys as young as 10. They are ill-equiped under-trained and pathetic as fighters.

The tiny yet highly trained Aussie army will continue to punish the AL in the Carribean.

The enormous and also highly talented Mongol and Chinese armies will see oceans of AL blood. These poor family men and boys of the AL will be lost to their wives and mothers forever.....
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