A word about GameLeague and the new league...

[Kwang]

If he can perform his job of editing strategies, that's good enough for me. That's like saying a politican should not hold a position because he's been divorced 5 times.

[Sean Leitzinger]

Well...it would seem this whole plan backfired completely and I'm having trouble defending against your post Cavebear. In fact the idea flopped completely and now Kwang is pointing out some things that are making me feel pretty stupid. Maybe this wasn't the best idea in the world on hindsight. hehehe Not only that apparently I underestimated the value of an emotional post, and the arrogance of my old persona. Therefore I'm going to have to withdraw disgracefully from this battle for the time being. Touché cavebear.
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[Bird]

LOL, candy from a baby, rah.

[Sean Leitzinger]

"It is just "Eyes", and it seems that it always will be just "Eyes. Eyes thinks that no place can survive without him, and that all discussion exists because of HIS presence. He just doesn't understand the difference between a party of people reacting to a hornet in their midst, and the interesting discussion that was going on before the intrusion of the hornet."

Very nice analogy, I'm impressed. I'm rereading your post and I have alot of respect for it. Nice job. You've single handedly ended this entire argument. I have no reply to it. I don't think I'm going to be able to come back against that so it looks like I'm going to have to concede this one to you. Your use of words was perfect. You even were somehow able to weave pity into your tone while at the same time ordering my execution. Tainted, divcorce, I'm salivating over this. Where were you when I was eyes and I was conducting war every day? I tip my hat to you. Well done.
All I can really reply to your post with after reading it is a monotone "wow".

I just want everyone to know that cavebear is single handedly responsible for ending this. Others like you rah should take note of the way cavebear conducted himself, you could learn alot as I know I will.
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[Wezil]

Common sense ain't so common Drake.

Part of the fault lies with the makers of the game. The released a product rife with 'bugs' and glitches then never bothered releasing a patch to fix them (the 1.3 patch does address a couple bugs but is insufficient). End result: The game will do some things it was never intended to do but since it is possible the arguments ensue over whether this is cheating or not. I suspect Civ3 will be no different.

Then you have the obvious cheats, which people seem to want to grade on a scale. Is altering rules.txt worse than using 2 comps? I think that debate is silly. Cheating is cheating but you will find debate here as well.

As was mentioned earlier the best policy is to play those you know and trust and let the cheaters find each other out.


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"These were giants [The ‘Hellfire’ Club]. They had standards - not like these whimpering mashers who keep fouling our headlines today."

Free the D**d Threads!!

[Frank Johnson]

It comes down to this guys. You have attacked my section of Gameleague which for the most part is completely seperate of the part you have a problem with.......so you take it out on me. No. If it had been my screw up I can see taking this sort of BS....but no....you attacked me for no good reason.

Anyone using any of my copywritted intellectual material is going down. You have 48 hours to comply. I'll start sending letters to ISPs and pull strings with Mark and Dan. I've done it before. It's that simple. I don't deny your right to exist, but if it uses any of my features, primary rules, or looks like GameLeague's tribes.....you are going to force my hand.

[Guest]

Yeah, a new league sounds like a good idea!
Why not make it an Apolyton League?


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*deity of THE DEITIANS*
aka: half-assed dieticians
icq# 8388924

[KhanMan]

Frank-Two things:

1) This league has never attacked you personally. We have no problem co-existing with Gameleague.

Any and all insults, attacks, or accusations I, personally, have made that against Gameleague, in your opinion or that of anyone else, I hereby apologize for and withdraw. I ask for your forgiveness for any hasty words I may have said, in my eagerness to share my own point of view.

2) That said, the slate is clean. We will exist, with or without good relations with Gameleague or Apolyton, but we DO desire friendly relations with both.

I ask you simply what the problem is in having a group of civ2 players, by general consent, forming their own group? We do not wish to replace you. We do not wish to infringe on your rights as a Gameleague Moderator.

Please respect our rights as individuals, and refrain from making threats.

Eyes and His Opponents-While you may wish to dispute the finer points of play, I ask that you use another thread to do so. This thread's intent is to discuss the new league, and I wouldn't want that to get lost in the fencing. Sorry.

All Others-If any of you would like to make suggestions or comments about the new league, please, post them here or forward them to Moker, Chuckles, or myself, via email or any other convenient means. We are new, and we welcome ideas, comments, and suggestions.

Respectfully,
KhanMan
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[DaveV]

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</font>Originally posted by IamSlowwHand on 11-12-2000 11:06 AM
Not to mention a national debt (now payed, thank you very much).
Paying off the National Debt and now having suplus speaks for itself.

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Sorry to jump back off-topic, KhanMan, but I was appalled when I read this. The so-called budget "surplus" is merely an accounting fiction. Any payment against the national debt that has occurred in the past couple years is a mere fraction of a percent of the total. The projected budget surplus that our elected officials are so eager to spend is just that: a projection (by the same guys who claim we now have a surplus).

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
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[Frank Johnson]

Apolyton has always been and will always continue to be 100% behind GameLeague. I do not care what "groups" think that they can do or form, but if you steal the methods, rules, and other intellectual property of GameLeague I have every right to persue my rights to GameLeague's copyrights. In the past I have had to ask for the help of Dan, Mark, and other major Civilization site webmasters to help in the boycott of sites that violate the copyrights held by GameLeague, of course these violations were baltant, they even copied my old background music...and as your site stands now, with no clear rules, mostly broken links, and what not....it looks more like an advertisement for Sayen than a legitimate league. Here's my question for you, are you withdrawing from GameLeague tribes due to your unrelated problem with another part of gameleague? It would be impractical of me to allow competeitors to use Gameleague itself against Gameleague, even if they were friendly competeitors, its just not fair play to do that since you aren't just dual system tribe members, you are actually running the competetion which somewhat compromises your (sayen's) position.
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[Wezil]

Sorry Khanman, I'm having trouble with my emailer...

If you would, can you sign us up here?

I'll be the team Capt. (my email when working is cebont@hotmail.com)

Hootenanny will be my 2nd

and Omni Rex Draconis shall be my 3rd.

If you need any other details please ask.


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"These were giants [The ‘Hellfire’ Club]. They had standards - not like these whimpering mashers who keep fouling our headlines today."

Free the D**d Threads!!

[Alexander's Horse]

I find this all pretty sad. I hgad a look at the Gameleague forum and many of the threads are just fighting and accusations. Hardly makes one want to sign up. I think Eyes/Sean, whoever, would do everyone a favour if he just disappeared. He seems to just getting his rocks off making trouble. I know a troll when I see one



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Grrrr!!

[Chuckles39]

okay, eyes is an ass, back on topic now?

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Prince of Gameleague...

Lessor Sayen of the Sayen Tribe...

http://civilizationtribes.50megs.com

[Chuckles39]

i will repeat this in this thread, like i did in the gameleague thread,

THIS LEAGUE IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR GAMELEAGUE.

stop being defensive, and try and sue for copyright infringement, what are you five years old?

you CAN NOT copyright an idea, only the method in which you apply it can be copyrighted.

the idea of team play belongs to you?
sure it does... know what you are saying before you say it.

this is why we (thesayen) came up with the idea, not even the administrators can read

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Prince of Gameleague...

Lessor Sayen of the Sayen Tribe...

http://civilizationtribes.50megs.com

[Frank Johnson]

I'd like you to quote where I said I copywritted team play. What I do think would be wrong is to see a GameLeague clone pop up, with the exact rules, or only token differences. Since it was said you had no fundamental problem with the way tribes were played, only with an unrelated strategy admin, then why not directly address the issue instead of the course of action you have taken. You are barking up the wrong tree.