A word about GameLeague and the new league...

[KenThur]

Ming: it brings the best out in people too. That is why we have what we have & the socialist have what they don't have. (well said,aye? Perhaps i should run for office?!)

Sean, Eyes, etc : U R correct (once again)! It's not the Executive branch of our gov't that controls the money & makes or (better yet) repeals laws.
It's the Legislative (Congress for those of you that...)!
And in addition to what U cited Sean, as important & extremely POWERFUL... the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. That little group of unelected banksters that can (& do) make or break our economy!

Sean... keep up these lucid, respectful remarks & U'll have us, & more importantly, yourself believing U have begun to turn some of that intelligence into widsom! Often referred to as "maturing".
Best to U.

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[Ming]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by KenThur on 11-12-2000 07:37 PM</font>
Ming: it brings the best out in people too

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Even if it does, the cheating makes it all insignificant.

[Sean Leitzinger]

"Sean... keep up these lucid, respectful remarks & U'll have us, & more importantly, yourself believing U have begun to turn some of that intelligence into widsom! Often referred to as "maturing". "

I can very easily become a **** again. THere is no maturing involved, it's simply a matter of what personality I choose to appear in. It's kind of what sloww and I concluded, the computer is an escape for our subconscious. In my case I simply let my subconscious run rampant. Don't talk down to me as if I were a child learning to communicate as an adult. You may talk to me as if I were a human on the otherside of this digital world. You may even find a common ground, and feel like you're getting to know me. However I simply am not there. I wear my mask of sanity loosely, right now it's in place. Don't take it for granted though. I can very easily replace it with a more gruesome and hideous mask.

[Kwang]

If you wish to learn more about this controversy: please head to the GameLeague forum. There, I (and the majority of the players) clearly explain our position.

[Mercantile]

You know i was thinking of joining gameleague, and although most apolytoners have slightly more negative than positive feelings about it, the one thing remains.

Gameleague has a rep for allowing a different interpretation of the rules Now if rules like that appeal to people, and to some it does, great go ahead and play in that particular ladder system.

However to the majority of civers here, it's like dumping oil into water, the two don't mix.

Therefore, Apolytoners will continue to play Apolytoners and Gameleaguers will play Gameleaguers, with some who will play both. I don't understand why gameleaguers try to recruit apolytoners to play when they know full well that the interpretation of the rules is totally different.

The only rules i play by are "Rah's rules", anyone who has played with him or his brother, know these rules off by heart and everyone has a proven track record for being honest, and not cheating.

The only other rules i play by are my own code of honour. I play for fun and for a challenge, and i learn everytime i lose, which means i am learning at an astronomical rate

This new league sounds fun, and it's a shame if it is infiltrated by people who cheat knowing full well what is acceptable and not in a particular game. Why don't you just let this new league be and continue to play in your "cheater" league, don't you realize that this is why people are starting a new league. They don't like you RULES

My theory is if you don't know the rules, ASK, and if you don't , then assume whatever trickery your up to isn't allowed.

I don't mean to insult Gameleague and it's players, as i have never even played within this group, but i see a clear message from Apolytoners, it states "we don't play with cheaters, but you are more than welcome to play with us if you can be trusted"

my .02 cents

[KhanMan]

Slow-What, exactly, do you mean by "slam dunking the moderators"? Simply put, I and some other Gameleague players wish to form a league where there are firm rules against cheating (not present in GL), and where all cheaters are banned (also not the case in GL). While I remain respectful of Kwang and the other moderators, it is our right as individuals to associate with those whom we choose to associate. Simply put "anyone can leave Gameleague at any time, and anyone can disagree with Gameleague policy".

Wezil-We actually do have a forum up and running on the website right now. If there are suggestions to expanding that part, I or Moker or others in the group can easily do so. No, they aren't apolyton sponsored forums. I don't think that makes a difference, fundamentally. As for GL continuing, that is a given: Kwang and his fellow moderators can run GL how they choose. I will not lose sleep worrying about GL.

Eyes/Sean-Simply put, cheating by anyone will result in that person being expelled from our league. You can enter as many times as you want, but we'll just toss you out again. Oh, and, no, there aren't any positions open for a Strategies Expert

Kwang-With all respect, we are no longer trying to convert people to our position. We are merely exercising our rights as individuals to form whatever groups we wish to.

Mercantile-Part of the biggest disappointment, IMHO, in GL is that there are no posted rules. If Kwang or anyone else has started to address this problem, I would love to see the place where this has been done...until then, GL operates by decree, while our league works to build a solid foundation of rule of law.

Respectfully Submitted,
-KhanMan
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[Frank Johnson]

Unbelievable. You are completely ungrateful for every effort I put forward to building the tribes system up in Gameleauge. There have been some short falls yes, but now for an issues COMPLETELY seperate from tribes, you seek to destroy what I have worked on so long. This Sean guy, for one doesn't play games, he doesn't play in tribes either, he doesnt call game desputes. Now you have made a personal attack on my home terf, and I am quite offended. I really don't know what to think about this.

[Ming]

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Unbelievable. You are completely ungrateful for every effort I put forward to building the tribes system up in Gameleauge. There have been some short falls yes, but now for an issues COMPLETELY seperate from tribes, you seek to destroy what I have worked on so long.
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Ungrateful??? It just sounds like some people don't agree on the current rules over at Gameleague. It is their right to choose to be members or not. It is their right to try to establish something that they feel is in their best interest. Ungrateful... no, maybe just disgusted with the whole issue of cheating.
Can a "new" group avoid similar problems... who knows.
But it is obvious that they would like to try.

From the tone and words of the post, I see nothing personal in their declarations except a disagreement over the rules.

[drake]

I won't get into this soap opera, cuz it doesn't concern me, but since when in a competition is it necessary to include "do not cheat" in the rules?

To think you need strict guidelines and regulations in a civ game is sad........

Common sense.......what happened to it?

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[Sean Leitzinger]

First of all you wouldn't be able to even detect me. I can very easily change my personality, typing style, and game playing style to the point where it would be impossible to tell who I am. The only reason you even found out this time was because Kwang finally came out and said it. And the fact that I had planned on the leitzinger thing in my email to become a rumor and then die.

As for your little democratic site, on your reasoning all it takes is for everyone on the league to agree to who gets thrown out correct? So then on that basis I could possibly say get half of your league to agree to throwing say species for example out of the league. If they all want it, the people have made their decision correct? So then really I could get anyone I want thrown out as long as I get the public behind me. Sounds like a fair and just system to me.

[rah]

you can change whatever you like, but you could never become a
Bird
Berzerker
Ming
Matt
Merc
War4ever
or a host of any of the players that I play with.

And anyone that has to keep coming up with a new identities to get a game..........I feel sorry for you.


RAH
Honor among Friends.....and enemies.

[Sean Leitzinger]

Actually Rah I don't even really play anymore. And I get plenty of games. I never came up with this identity to get games. Why don't you learn to read, it might help you. Although I fear it may be beyond your intelligence level. That was more for the sake of argument, obviously you weren't able to comprehend that.

[rah]

You've never changed your name to get a game.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're pathetic.
I guess you memory cheats too.


RAH

[Wezil]

Sean - Please quit farting in the wind. Your posting style makes it relatively easy to spot you. Don't flatter your brilliant self.


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Free the D**d Threads!!

[Sean Leitzinger]

Name a time Rah. I switched names one time as QuickAcorn and that lasted a very short time. So other than that what proof do you have?

Wezil...I've never really tried to change my posting style. If you want I can get a new name and we can see if you can spot who I am.