A word about GameLeague and the new league...

[Wezil]

You are who you are Eyes. I'm sure any change would be a conscious effort and short term (as they have been in the past).

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"These were giants [The ‘Hellfire’ Club]. They had standards - not like these whimpering mashers who keep fouling our headlines today."

Free the D**d Threads!!

[Sean Leitzinger]

The only thing that defines a personality on here is typing style, personality type (By this I mean whether or not the person is aggressive, laid back, etc. in their posts and speech), and their gaming style. It's the only way to tell who someone is.

Now lets examine my typing style. It's usually very clean and crisp, with no grammatical or spelling errors. Also I don't use smileys and I usually have very dull looking posts. What if I were to do something like this....

hi! i'm new to this and wnat to meet all u peeps on apolyton. i'm a little confused how to get games though? r there some new peeps who want to play? especially girls.

It would be impossible then to tell who I am. Not only that I would not visit the zone, I would only stay on apolyton and would never visit the league forum. I would ask to play in large diplo games and I wouldn't go for monarchy, I'd go for republic first. I'd start hailing Xin Yu as the greatest player to ever live and kiss everyone's ass on here. I'd even go so far as to start using "IMHO" as all of you are so fond of. Face it, you'd never know who I was.
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[Mercantile]

Whomever you are Eyes/quick acorn/ sean/ the easiest way to spot you is by your style. Your quick to flame and to insult. No one denies your intelligence, everyone just shakes their head at your arrogance. Thats a dead give away everytime. You always defend everything you do with technicalities. You never accept responsibility for your actions. People would love to play you, if only you didn't gloat about how good you are when you win, and come up with pathetic excuses when you lose. Face it, its a game, and although there are some who lose far less frequently then most, no one is victorious all the time. For those who cheat its a hollow victory at best, and if you have to cheat to win, what does that say about your ethics in real life. I know many players who can beat and who have also lost to you, so your not above anyone else. In fact my cousin played you 18 times and won 7 of those on a setting he was not used to. X2X2 not my game or my cousins, but with a good start and finding a nearby neighbor, who lacks defenses, the game is over quick as both he and i remember. I watched him play you, and your not that good.
Take gameleague to a higher level if you can, all the power to you, but stop harassing Apolytoners with your flaming comments. You don't want to be treated like a child, well quit cheating like one and maybe an invite will be extended by our fellow civers.

For the record, my cousin played Eyes and as far as he/we could tell he wasn't cheating. However, this was months ago now and i have no proof that the riot factor wasnt' changed I bet eyes would know though these were all x2x2 king , which my cousin had only played once before. X2 move on a small map is a seek and destroy game, hardly more challenging than x1x1 but hey to each his own.

BTW Rah thanks for the mention, we have only played over the last month , but i was told you were honorable and you have proved that beyound a doubt, along with many others.

Ming
Rah
Bird
Brocher
Cavebear
Crusty
ColdWizard
Milo
Epik
Barano
spider
Zylka
i am sure there are others, and if i forgot someone sorry, these come off the top of my head And i havnt' been around to play everyone yet ****e, i forgot Berzerker

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[rah]

"I switched names one time as QuickAcorn and that lasted a very short time."
And why did you do that? Tired of your reputation. Didn't you go by another name here too?

HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA

I've never used any other name but RAH to play under or post here. Nothing to hide, no reputation to run from.

RAH

[Wezil]

We wouldn't know?

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</font>Huts are completely random. Anyone who says otherwise is full of ****. And moker, if you don't want me to retaliate then don't dish it. You're the one who has been saying stuff about me on the forums. I've been fairly neutral with everyone so far. But if you're going to slander me, don't expect me to sit back and be quiet. And by the way, you've always overrated your skills. I've found far better players that are willing to send in strategies. I'm not going to beg you to send one in. You're not hurting me by not sending it. I doubt you have anything no one else does anyways.
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</font>Oh so now you've got a strategy that's even better than mine. lol Come on, face the facts. You have delusions of grandeur. You're still sitting at the bottom of the pile and you always will be. And by the way, it's not 60, it's 70 or more.
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Sean - <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font>OCC=One City Challenge As for Moker the only thing annoying about all this is that he really believes what he says. But as usual I'm wasting my time on nothing more than a few bees buzzing in my ear. If I felt you might comprehend anything more extravagant, I might take the time to post more. However I'm wasting my time responding to computer geeks and nerds that like to come up with abbreviations and names for everything they do in a computer game. I'll have to start using more discretion in the future.
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Yep, your style is real hard to spot. Like I said Eyes, any changes you make are temporary (ie your two line example provided in your previous post). You are who you are.


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"These were giants [The ‘Hellfire’ Club]. They had standards - not like these whimpering mashers who keep fouling our headlines today."

Free the D**d Threads!!

[Chuckles39]

leave it to eyes/infusco/quickacorn/duulak/sean to flame a perfectly good topic.

WE SAYEN DO NOT CHEAT!

we are tired of the BS and the lies...

we like the idea of teams, and would like to play others, if not for rank. just as organized scheduled games of fun, is that too hard to comprehend?

the idea is, make a better system of peers, if you are in it, then you can effect change in an unjust league, unlike gameleague.

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Prince of Gameleague...

Lessor Sayen of the Sayen Tribe...

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[Sean Leitzinger]

I did it. What was this topic about again? Are you sure you guys even remember? I was able to change the focus of this entire topic and put it all on me. I didn't even have to try very hard. You all rushed in ready for the kill, sure I was just being a **** as usual, never stopping to think. Now what does this have to do with everything?

First of all it shows that I was able to manipulate you people to get the reaction and outcome I wanted. Granted, I have a reputation and it helped, but nonetheless I still hijacked this thread. What is the point of all this? Simple. The main attraction of this new league is that it is a democracy and that people will be able to vote on everything. That includes who to kick out. Which was the whole idea of it. Now what would happen if I were to say manipulate the public and turn the opinion of everyone into a weapon? Even if they don't cheat, I can still get everyone to hate that person. So what if I were to get everyone to vote on it? That means that someone like A-Team/strategicking who majority of people dislike could get thrown out. Who is to stop something like this from happening? Mokerguy of course. But then we'd be back at square one since mokerguy would then be making decisions like Kwang would. This will never ever work. It sounds to me more like a certain group of people are whinning because they feel they are important enough to have more of a say in league. When you get down to it, all they're doing is creating a league where they'll be the ones in charge. We need someone neutral, who doesn't play in the league, who is blind to who they're dealing with and looks at facts and evidence alone. That man is Kwang.

I think I demonstrated my point. That's all folks. Have a nice day.

[rah]

typical response when proved to be an ass, I did it on purpose.

might be more believable if you didn't so lamely try to defend yourself, as you always do.

RAH
Have a Nice Day
Works for me too.

[Sean Leitzinger]

hahahaha Rah, always the fool. Do you really think I care whether or not you think I'm a **** ? I simply proved my point. Your opinion of me is irrelevant. I don't know if you've noticed or not, but I'm not out to make friends and be known as a nice guy. The have a nice day part was more my usual sarcasm, not an attempt to be nice. Get a clue. The fact still stands, I changed this topic to the desired outcome. It can be done anywhere. The public is prone to whims and the prevailing mentality. They are not the ones that should be making critical decisions. A neutral, non-league player that is blind to who they are dealing with should be making the decisions.

By the way, I told suas333 of my plan before I posted that for this very reaction.
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Sean Leitzinger (edited November 13, 2000).]</font>

[rah]

And "my have a nice day" wasn't sarcasm?

Not just a cheating ass, but stupid too.

I called my mommy to let her know my plans.
(More sarcasm in case you're that stupid.)

RAH
And I originally posted to make a point that I'd prefer playing with friends instead of in a league that you're associated with (or any league for that matter). But your ego got in the way again.

[A-Team]

First off, fool(refering to the person or anyone for that matter, who thinks that Clinton had anything to do with reducing unemployment, the national debt or interest rates) if he got his way, we would have a failing socialized health care system and federal spending that would have bankrupted our country ( remember the budget he presented had deficits well into the 2000's of $ 200 million+) and any and all economic boom is the result of the policies of Ronald Reagen and the republican congress which held Clintons spending ways in check.
Now, as many of you might know, I have a long running and sometimes very vicious feud with eyesofnight a.k.a. sean. But, other then me, theres no one else in this world or any other that understands the game and strategies as well as sean and he is a fit at the job he has undertaken and that is true, its true.
By the way, I am now GameLeague Champion and that is also true, its true......

[Sean Leitzinger]

you can change whatever you like, but you could never become a
Bird
Berzerker
Ming
Matt
Merc
War4ever
or a host of any of the players that I play with.
And anyone that has to keep coming up with a new identities to get a game..........I feel sorry for you.


RAH
Honor among Friends.....and enemies.


Actually Rah your original post was nothing more than a flame and had nothing to do with the topic at hand. All of your posts on here have been flames.


"Not just a cheating ass, but stupid too."

With an intelligent statement like that, how can I argue with you?
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Sean Leitzinger (edited November 13, 2000).]</font>

[rah]

Then why are you?

RAH

[cavebear]

I have to withdraw my support for "Sean". I dislike seeming to change my mind in a short time, but I am compelled to do so. Sean is now Eyes again, and I suppose I have to accept that he will never be otherwise. Maybe in 5 years, or 10, he will change, but not now.

Sean's posts are just like Eyes's, and I guess that reflects his true personality more than any protestations. I guess I just wanted to hope that he had grown up, that he was really trying to change. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

I'm sorry, "Sean", but your new persona was just too fleeting, it isn't you, and you can't maintain the fiction of it. I had hoped it was serious, but it now seems to have been just another game. I hope not to be pulled in again.

In a TV world, "Sean" would have been the proof that people can change and that they *do* care about the opinion of others. But this isn't TV, and "Sean" has not changed.

It is just "Eyes", and it seems that it always will be just "Eyes. Eyes thinks that no place can survive without him, and that all discussion exists because of HIS presence. He just doesn't understand the difference between a party of people reacting to a hornet in their midst, and the interesting discussion that was going on before the intrusion of the hornet.

More is the pity...

I desired "Sean" to remain part of the Civ community because of his obvious understanding of the game and the subtleties involved. I hoped to be able to gain some understanding in that regard myself, through a public forum he wished to conduct. We all desire to learn more about the game, and I was willing to allow some slack for "Sean", even knowing who he was.

No longer. The Admins must now divorce themselves from Sean/Eyes and all past (and future) personas. The issue is no longer whether he plays actively or not, it is whether he remains connected to the management of GameLeague, and whether they choose to remain tainted by that association.

This bridge is burned to the waterline...

[Sean Leitzinger]

Ummmm...well...****. This isn't going quite the way I planned.

And cavebear, I'm not in a position of power. I don't make gameleague decisions and I don't have any power over the players. I simply write some strategies for Kwang. You guys don't seem to get that. You withdraw your support for me, that's your choice.