Crisis of the New World Order

[POTUS]

The US refuses to join the Security Council if Russia is treated differently. Russia has a veto, we all have a veto.

Also, the Security Council should govern the game.

[POTUS]

In accordance with previous agreements dating back to 1828, the US promises to defend the territorial integrity of all nations and territories, especially the British Commonwealth.

I would advise China that in accordance with the 5th Fleet Relocation Act and Treaty, the 5th Fleet will dock in Hong Kong and, until July 1, 1997, when the 5th Fleet will be based, for the indefinite future at Clark in the Phillipines, Oninkiwa, Singapore, or a location to be determined by January 1, 1996.

[asaz989]

I am for the American proposal of a U.N. General, at least to the extent of a coordinator who sets goals and areas of control for different nation's armies during a Security Coucil sanctioned operation. I am also in agreement India's proposal for term limits on Security Council President. However, I do have questions about the Russian statement of veto power, mostly those that others have voiced: does everyone have this power, and, if they do, how does anything get done?

P.S. By the way potus, on your statement

I would advise China that in accordance with the 5th Fleet Relocation Act and Treaty, the 5th Fleet will dock in Hong Kong and, until July 1, 1997, when the 5th Fleet will be based, for the indefinite future at Clark in the Phillipines, Oninkiwa, Singapore, or a location to be determined by January 1, 1996.

thanks

[asaz989]

and to the chinese: transfer of Hong Kong is good in July 97. any problems?

[FiGu]

Okey, ill be Allies then.

[jim panse]

Russian Memorandum/UN

(1)

Creation of a permanent United Nations Security Council

Russia supprots that proposal and wishes the Security Council to be established.


(2)

10 turn terms for Chair of Council.

Russia supports this suggestion of our fellow neighbours and friends in China and India and opposes a permanent chair by the US or the EU.


(3)

Everybody will have this veto?

As the Security Council is for coordination between independent and sovereign nations I would say that everybody in this council shall have the right to oppose any decision (Veto).


Message to the US:

You seem to have forgotten that the Soviet Union no longer exists. However, the US is willing to offer a way out for both of us. You, General will have free reign inside the territory of Russia. We will not intervene. However, you will not intervene in the affairs of your neighbors unless the owner of the territory requests help.

Russia knows perfectly that the USSR no longer exists. As the speaker of Mother Russia I will inform you and all the other leaders of the world that I will restore Russia´s Glory - and I will not accept or tolerate anyone´s intervention in Russia´s affairs. If the world opposes Russia´s rightful claims as the protector of the weak nations of Transcaucasia and Central Asia I am willing to negotiate about the dates, not about the question if Russia shall be allowed to act so. You can contact me at MSN (steph_sander@hotmail.com) or ICQ (#201374165).

[POTUS]

I do not question your nation's history of ruling land from Kallin to Svestapol. However, you must remeber that these countries rejected Russia and the Soviet Union. If they wanted to be protected and ruled over by Russians, they would have never seceded and declared independence.

Here is what I propose:
All land from Poland to the Ukraine, Russia will be allowed to control the security of, provided the nations there consent. From Moldova to Germany, the US and EU will control the security of, provided the people consent. After 5 years, elections will be held in all countries to choose whether to remain independent or to join Russia or the EU. Both Russia, and the EU will abide by the results of the elections. Also, during the five years before elections, no country may interfere in the autonomy of any of the nations, and may not station forces in urban areas (cities). The US will abide by the terms of the agreement and, with any other interested parties, will moniter that both sides are not violating provisions of the treaty.

Will Russia and the EU accept this?

[academia]

After 5 years, elections will be held in all countries to choose whether to remain independent or to join Russia or the EU. Both Russia, and the EU will abide by the results of the elections.

ELECTIONS????
Is that a joke??? those countries are in control of the AI!!!!!
Please, get out of your US president character this time
There aren´t "elections" in a civ2 game. Please, don´t use these "fictional" arguments...

I suggest you to propose something more "civ2-style"

My suggestion? Let´s make this votation in the context of the UN Security Council.

[academia]

As the Security Council is for coordination between independent and sovereign nations I would say that everybody in this council shall have the right to oppose any decision (Veto).

Mmm... then i see no point in creating a Security Council.. if everybody has the right to veto a decision, then the council IS USELESS.
No matter what the council decides, you use the veto power and screw them!!!

EU said:

However, I do have questions about the Russian statement of veto power, mostly those that others have voiced: does everyone have this power, and, if they do, how does anything get done?

I couldn´t agree more. how does anything get done if everyone has this power??????


Please Russia, make up your mind and reconsider your position...

[POTUS]

Originally posted by academia

ELECTIONS????
Is that a joke??? those countries are in control of the AI!!!!!
Please, get out of your US president character this time
There aren´t "elections" in a civ2 game. Please, don´t use these "fictional" arguments...

I suggest you to propose something more "civ2-style"

My suggestion? Let´s make this votation in the context of the UN Security Council.

I kind of meant the EU and Russia would convince those cities to join them

[POTUS]

Also, the Security Council could always be used as it is in real,, as a way to try and stop conflicts.

[asaz989]

Hold on a second, POTUS. What you mean is that Russia and the EU would have a "jurisdiction" of areas that they protect from attack, but they get to bribe those cities? correct me if i'm wrong.

[POTUS]

Asa, the EU and Russia could station troops in those countries/ protect them, but for five years could not bribe them.

Asa, you can call me Michael

[jim panse]

Please Russia, make up your mind and reconsider your position...

Hehehe, I knew you would disagree with that Alejandro
Anyway, I am offering this to the world: As for a working Security Council you would need Russia as it would not be a 'real' Security Council I am willing to grant your positions an ear. I WILL participate in multilateral decision-making and peace-making/keeping AFTER Russia´s pride has been restored. I want to get the former Soviet Republics back and THEN we could talk about multilateralistic efforts.

The choice is now up to you, I am waiting for your responses.

[Nilat]

Any open slots for me?