Crisis of the New World Order

[POTUS]

The Security Council should have the powers that member nations grant to it. I move that the Security Council should elect a General to command peacke-keeping operations.

[academia]

I move that the Security Council should elect a General to command peacke-keeping operations

Ok. I like the idea.

I propose that in our first election, 2 countries should run for the presidency of the Security Council; and the rest of the members will have to vote and choose one of them.
I think that we must establish the length of the term (like 10 turns) and the chance of re-election should not be allowed.


In my opinion, the Security Council should work as a mechanism to prevent unilateral first strikes and find a solution to political/territorial disputes all over the world.

For instance, in the case of my country (India) i have the capacity to attack pakistan and capture it on my own. The problem is that those actions may weaken the stability of the area, and maybe the US, Russia or other countries will send troops to the zone and adopt a hostile position.
Additionaly, those countries could begin to patrol indian air space, seas, impose a blockade against my freights, don´t share techs, etc.

Of course, if you don´t want to pay attention to the security council decisions and go on your own, you can do it. But there might be unpleasant consequences...

What do you guys think?

[jim panse]

As the President of Russia, Boris Yeltsin, has been replaced by the charismatic General Ivan Nikolayev, Russia has the following things to say:

(1) Russia is willing to participate in that UN Security Council but we want the right to reject ALL decisions as Russia is a sovereign nation among other sovereign nations (Veto).

(2) As the Soviet Union collapsed I want to point out that certain territories are Russian 'Sphere of Influence', meaning that Russia will not allow nor tolerate foreign interventions. This includes the following territories and states: Transcaucasia, the former central asian Soviet Republics. There is always the issue of a land link between Kaliningrad and the Rodina.

(3) 'I, Gen. Ivan P. Nikolayev, as the new appointed leader of the Russian People want to declare that Mother Russia will be great again. The seeds of greatness are each single heart of the Russian People and I will not let my compatriots down!'

[jim panse]

The Russian Bear awakes!

ITAR/TASS (Moscow) - Today the new President of the Russian Federation held a speech at the Duma.

'Yesterday I ordered the attack of some terrorist strongholds in the mountains aroudn Groznyy. Russia will not tolerate Terrorism and Islamism (...) We have the privilege and the God-given right to be the guardian of security of our former Soviet Republics in these days of Americanism. We have the possibilities to keep peace in Central Asia and the Transcaucasus Region. Therefore I ask the constituting Security Council in New York to allow Peace-keeping missions next year (...) I am going to ask only once. Russia requests free-hands in Central Asia (Aktyubinsk, Karaganda) and the Caucasian States (Tblisi, Baku) in order to prevent Terrorism - which is the enemy of all of us - from spreading.'

[FiGu]

NevaH!! We'll fight to the bitter end!!

Help us... US!

[Panda]

I'm going to have to jump in at this point to inform you all that some of the modified events will not trigger correctly. You have two choices: wash the current save game through the delevent.exe program and reload using the "official" multiplayer events, and then do the same after I've had a chance to review and incorporate the modifications; or skip using the official events and jump straight into the corrected events (which I can post on thursday, but no sooner because of real-life events).

I welcome all comments on what modifications should be included, that are posted before 8am GMT 23/10/03.

Attached: official multiplayer events.

And I might even have the official 3.1 patch ready by then (updated graphics, and some minor tweaks, since you ask)

[POTUS]

Panda, are you sure the events don't work?

I vote we use the official mutiplayer events.

[POTUS]

Re: The Russian Bear awakes!

Originally posted by jim panse
ITAR/TASS (Moscow) - Today the new President of the Russian Federation held a speech at the Duma.

'Yesterday I ordered the attack of some terrorist strongholds in the mountains aroudn Groznyy. Russia will not tolerate Terrorism and Islamism (...) We have the privilege and the God-given right to be the guardian of security of our former Soviet Republics in these days of Americanism. We have the possibilities to keep peace in Central Asia and the Transcaucasus Region. Therefore I ask the constituting Security Council in New York to allow Peace-keeping missions next year (...) I am going to ask only once. Russia requests free-hands in Central Asia (Aktyubinsk, Karaganda) and the Caucasian States (Tblisi, Baku) in order to prevent Terrorism - which is the enemy of all of us - from spreading.'

I will support the decision of FiGu in regards to this statement. However, be warned, that the US WILL DEFEND ALL OF THE FORMER SOVIET UNION if requested. I will support joint-peace-keeping missions ONLY.

[Panda]

Well, I haven't gone through them all, but this one stuck out:

@IF
RANDOMTURN
denominator=8
@THEN
CREATEUNIT
unit=Terrorist
owner=TRIGGERATTACKER
veteran=no
homecity=None
locations
127,57
130,54
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
endlocations
@ENDIF

and the other's are similar.

You said you added these via the in-game editor, right? They won't create an owner properly, but the event debugger would accept each as legitimate. I think that the modifications are fair, they just need a couple of corrections (and I'll adjust the lower case/upper case for the texts that are a bit muddled).

POTUS (and anyone else), please just tell me what you wanted added to the scenario and I'll give each suggestion fair consideration. I have never played this PBEM so other people are better qualified to say what amendments are needed. I'm just really pissed because in all the PBEM games no-one has ever bothered to contact me to say "your graphics suck" and "do this, do that; don't do that". Feedback is good; criticism is good, so how come I never hear it?

But please do this in the creation forum so the threads aren't duplicated.

[academia]

I will support the decision of FiGu in regards to this statement. However, be warned, that the US WILL DEFEND ALL OF THE FORMER SOVIET UNION if requested. I will support joint-peace-keeping missions ONLY.

I think we still need to hear China´s position...
Before doing these "peace-keeping" missions, India insists on determing the powers of the UN Security Council.

[jim panse]

Re: Re: The Russian Bear awakes!

Originally posted by POTUS

I will support the decision of FiGu in regards to this statement. However, be warned, that the US WILL DEFEND ALL OF THE FORMER SOVIET UNION if requested. I will support joint-peace-keeping missions ONLY.

I think we still need to hear China´s position... Before doing these "peace-keeping" missions, India insists on determing the powers of the UN Security Council.

Message from the Kremlin: Be advised my friends: I haven´t attacked anyone yet. I was only telling you that I am willing to achieve my goals by peaceful negotiations, not by war. If you should intervene in a place where you all do not belong, I will do whatever is the best for Mother Russia. The chance and choice is up to you ...

[POTUS]

Re: Re: Re: The Russian Bear awakes!

Originally posted by jim panse
If you should intervene in a place where you all do not belong, I will do whatever is the best for Mother Russia. The chance and choice is up to you ...

You seem to have forgotten that the Soviet Union no longer exists. However, the US is willing to offer a way out for both of us. You, General will have free reign inside the territory of Russia. We will not intervene. However, you will not intervene in the affairs of your neighbors unless the owner of the territory requests help.

[Prometheus]

The People’s Republic of China

1.)The beloved Chinese people of will not strike first.
2.)The Chinese support the UN security council to add legitimacy to operations, though the council members do have veto power. (sorry India)
3.)The Security Council can also make decisions such as the negotiations for the reunification of India and Pakistan, which China fully supports, and the reunification of the Province of Taiwan with China.
4.)10 turn terms for Chair of Council.

Also the PRC would like to enter into negotiations with the EU over the return of Hong Kong near the end of the century as is specified by treaty with the UK.

Turn,

[academia]

Ok. Let´s recapitulate...
First of all, i think that before talking about specific situations and conflicts in the world; we must establish the powers/limits of the Security Council.

So far, this is the situation:

INDIAN PROPOSAL
1) Creation of a permanent United Nations Security Council

YES: India - US - EU - Russia - China
NO:
Neutrals?


In my opinion, the creation of a Security Council is almost a fact.
However, we still need to specify the powers of this council.

Some proposals were made:

US PROPOSAL
1) I move that the Security Council should elect a General to command peace-keeping operations

YES: US - India
NO:
EU? - Russia? - China? - Neutrals?

INDIAN PROPOSAL
1) 10 turn terms for Chair of Council.

YES: India - China
NO:
EU? - Russia? - US? - Neutrals?

RUSSIAN PROPOSALS
1) we want the right to reject ALL decisions as Russia is a sovereign nation among other sovereign nations (Veto).

YES: Russia - China
NO:
EU? - India? - US? - Neutrals?


India has 2 question:
A) In your opinion, what should be the "special" powers that the Chair of Council will have?
B) For Russia and India: Everybody will have this veto?
If anyone can veto a decision, then what´s the point of creating a Security Council???
In my opinion, ONLY THE PRESIDENT of the Council should have this power. Or maybe, in case of a tie in the votaion, the Chair of the Council could use these "veto power" to make the final decision.

[academia]

Another comment...
On second thoughts, i believe that Figu should take command of the Allies. All in all, many developed countries (and others relevant too) are included in this civ...
Japan, Australia or Canada should have a human leader.... they are way too important to let them be ruled by the AI