Map making

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Hehe, that's not splitting hairs. If you are correct then Finbar was flat wrong.

What he says is ok, but it only pertains to the case when the AI has Map Making. As we economists would (elegantly! ) put it: Map Making is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for exchanging maps with the AI...

Carolus

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by deity
No wonder finbar said he hated Economists...

Hehe, all we did is post how we thought it worked, and tried to reach a consensus. We didn't try to belittle others.

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by deity
No wonder finbar said he hated Economists...

I wouldn't be surprised if the next police series he'll write for TV will include a serial killer slaying one economist after the other...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Ah yes, I can see the intro now... A retired Alan Greenspan sneaking up behind an unsuspecting banker walking down an abandoned street, a knife in his hand, whispering hoarsely to his victim: Can you say interest rate cut?

Carolus

[SlowThinker]

This is an e-mail I got from La Fayette:

Apolyton looks at me as 'unregistered' tonight; that's why I can't contribute.
Here is my opinion about swapping maps (in SP):
1) Both civs must own MapMaking
2) If the AI is worshipful, they always agree to swapping maps
3) If the AI is enthusiastic, they will often agree
4) If the AI is cordial, they will seldom agree

(I have personnally never met a result contrary to these rules IIRC)

BTW La Fayette is an economist.

[Carolus Rex]

Three economists actually agreeing on something?!

Carolus

[SlowThinker]

BTW who is the first one?

[DrSpike]

Me.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I'm going to agree with the economists too (I'm a broker; we always blame the economists when something goes wrong ).

I play SP on a lot of very large maps. Consequently, a key strategy is to get MPE early, make contact and trade for maps. Both parties need to have Mapmaking for a swap to actually take place. Otherwise, you get the message 'we have no need for your frickin maps', much the way you get the message 'we have no need for your useless techs' when the AI has no technology to swap. Perhaps that was the game designer trying to keep knowledge from the human player - if the map trading option was grayed out, then we would know the AI didn't have Mapmaking (?).

Anyway, there have been MANY times I've stupidly forgotten to check whether the AI had MM after all the tech swaps, and consequently couldn't trade maps. A quick check of the intelligence screen, a gift of MM, and voila, now they'll trade (assuming they're Worshipful or at least Enthused). At which point I know where to send the boats full of Caravans/Crusaders

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
I'm going to agree with the economists too (I'm a broker; we always blame the economists when something goes wrong ).

That's funny, we blame you and your sometimes irrational exuberance.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Rational listlessness won't get you much of a bonus

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
Rational listlessness won't get you much of a bonus

Yes! That's the problem.

Obviously, us economists are far more honest.

[Alexander's Horse]

Its so annoying the way brokers and economists can tell you what just happened but never with any accuracy what is about to happen.

[deity]

Originally posted by deity
No wonder finbar said he hated Economists...

No wonder finbar said he hated Economists...

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Its so annoying the way brokers and economists can tell you what just happened but never with any accuracy what is about to happen.

Some of them can, but you don't see a lot of analysis from those few. For some reason, they don't have to work for a living anymore