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**War4ever** · May 9, 2003, 16:01

war only is viable when opponents are close, otherwise trade and expansion will always pay off...

**Ming** · May 9, 2003, 16:10

So true... SK will only play on premade boards where he can build without anybody near by to upset his one trick pony show... Heaven forbid somebody should attack him early

**rah** · May 9, 2003, 16:14

Don't they even agree no wars until a certain date, and have no barbs.

Yep, that adds to the skill required.

**Ming** · May 9, 2003, 16:23

Nahhh... but he will just claim that it's all luck, and luck shouldn't have anything to do with it...

More like afraid to deal with any early combat that might disrupt his one trick pony strategy

**War4ever** · May 9, 2003, 17:44

i dont' understand the no war thing....this game is partly based on war....deal with it, just like the raging barbs

**atawa** · May 9, 2003, 17:45

Ah, the twins who play nothing but 2x1x deity on a tiny map are accusing other people of being one trick pony's again.

What was that again, build all your border city's on mountains and hills, put a couple of vet pike's in and you can just drink your beers and dont worry about war?

Off course on your maps naval warfare is out of the question so thats another worry gone.

And with limited space=city's who needs wonders?

And off course raging makes sure you dont have the choice of defending your city's, leaving even less space for different strats.

Come on people, you're just as bad so tone down a bit.

**Ming** · May 9, 2003, 17:47

The difference... we never start it... and we do play other settings... (I played 1x1x earlier this week) SK never passes up an opportunity to post with the sole purpose of demeaning other people, the settings they use and announcing his own greatness. And everytime he does, you can count on us to have some fun with him

How many times do we have to listen to "only his settings require strategy" and none other do

**War4ever** · May 9, 2003, 17:48

actually, vet cats take out the mountain ciites which happens all the time in our games...

also we don't just build on mountains for defence, we take the time to make river forests..

as for no naval combat etc...thats not true, many small maps have lots of fun sea to go to..which is why we go there to find more land to settle, huts to steal etc

**atawa** · May 9, 2003, 17:52

Originally posted by Ming
The difference... we never start it... and we do play other settings... (I played 1x1x earlier this week) SK never passes up an opportunity to post with the sole purpose of demeaning other people, the settings they use and announcing his own greatness. And everytime he does, you can count on us to have some fun with him

How many times do we have to listen to "only his settings require strategy" and none other do

A valid point, you never start it, but I was refering to the one trick pony comment witch I believe to be untrue.

And I thought strate only posted here to troll witch is obviously working well again

**atawa** · May 9, 2003, 17:59

Originally posted by War4ever
actually, vet cats take out the mountain ciites which happens all the time in our games...

With a good infrastructure and some vet cats yourself your opponent wont get the chance to attack with them unless he can move up a river and build forts.

also we don't just build on mountains for defence, we take the time to make river forests..

See my above point, I'd rather build on the mountain.

as for no naval combat etc...thats not true, many small maps have lots of fun sea to go to..which is why we go there to find more land to settle, huts to steal etc

Ok, I was talking about the open sea naval warfare you have on a 50x60+ map with islands.

**rah** · May 9, 2003, 18:00

Yes, Atawa, you are correct, we do play limited settings. I'll play other ones sometimes, but it's not as much fun. I won't argue some of your critisisms. I agree with a few and disagree with others. Actually our naval battles are quite intense since we're on top of each other. We play for fun. Different strokes for different strokes.

BUT the big difference here, is that you've never seen me post that I claim I'm the best or that the my settings are the only way or you just suck. As long as the people I'm playing respect my abilities, I'm a happy camper. For those that don't play with us, I could really give a rat's ass what they think of my ability. Not that I don't have any ego, it's just not worth arguing with 16 year olds about it.

RAH
And yes, you are one of the people who's opinion I usually respect.

**atawa** · May 9, 2003, 18:19

Originally posted by rah
We play for fun. Different strokes for different strokes.

Couldnt agree more

BUT the big difference here, is that you've never seen me post that I claim I'm the best or that the my settings are the only way or you just suck. As long as the people I'm playing respect my abilities, I'm a happy camper. For those that don't play with us, I could really give a rat's ass what they think of my ability. Not that I don't have any ego, it's just not worth arguing with 16 year olds about it.

A little bragging always enhances gameplay imo, but this is just another troll by strate witch worked well.
To be honest though, I know nobody who CAN beat strate on this setting, so claiming to be the best is kinda justified untill someone proves him wrong, even eyes didnt dear to challenge him on this...
But for me the true masters of the game are people that play and are good on every setting

And yes, you are one of the people who's opinion I usually respect.

Same here.

**StrategicKingMi** · May 10, 2003, 01:07

Didnt mean to be as abrasive as that last post sounded.
Given a chance to "restrate" it, i meant to say
1) I am the greatest civ player in the world today, that much is obvious..
2) but rather than an insult Ming, I meant that the game does not start being strategic and fun till you get flight.
And I find the only way to get there on a smaller board is to prevent early war so that you can get wonders built. Many citys. And many units to fight a "strategic war" rather then tactical small scale battles with very few units. The more decisions you have to make, the more different paths to take, the more strategic the game is and the greater the difference between the two players in a duel.
Now, in our latest game, Martin played very well, but I took the game to an entirely new level. I did 2 techs a turn 6 different turns including darwins and phil. This lead to a large Martin ironclad force stunbling right into an equal number of subs which, of course he could not see unless he actually ran right into them and *poof* there goes that fleet to the bottom of the ocean. Then i got flight, and now any ships in ports in range of fighters are dead meat (unless of course, they have fighter protection themselves)
And as far as me being "a one pony show", this is not true at all, I have played more ways then anyone else.
Me and jail boy bud, stayed up many a night playing anything from 4 x 4 to all techs at start of game and multiple settler starts. You want to attack early, Ill point to my game league days, i can do that also.
The problem is, been there, done that. These types of games get boring because they never ever will get past a certain point.

**StrategicKingMi** · May 10, 2003, 01:22

(36 years old, by the way, thanks to all the apolytoners who sent me a birthday greating, that was cool---
I just act like a 16 year old)
I dont insult others here, I just expound my own greatness.
I do insult 1 x 1 deity because i am right, it is very restrictive. ( i actually prefer 4 x 1 king if truth be told )

**Cobra** · May 10, 2003, 02:55

So many words and nothing said so far.....

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