Comparison fight US Apolyton vs. German league.

[DrSpike]

These debates are always fun.........but I usually see what I think are muddled ideas.

As far as I can see Rah has it right with his turn comparison in the last post. A free 30 shields is worth less at 2x, that is indisputable.

What makes the debate interesting is War's last point about compounding...........because that could change things.

My feeling on this is that land in particular is not as crucial at 2x (though restarting till it's fairish is my preferred solution since I think 1x is more balanced than 2x), and huts can be more important in 1x.

But it's not easy, I can be swayed..........War how does your compounding story go?

[rah]

The compounding is all relative. If you have 2 cities in 1x producing 5 shields each and extra city producing 5 shields is 10/15 or a 50 percent increase.
In 2x at ten shields a city it's 20/30 or the same 50 percent increase. So relative value after received is the same. It's the initial value is where the advantage is recieved.

[War4ever]

YES THE BASE INCREASE IS THE SAME IN EITHER, BUT WITH MORE PRODUCTION FOR THE SAME COST OF RAW MATERAILS, YOU CAN PRODUCE MORE IN X2 THEREFORE THE XTRA 50% BSE CONSTRUCTION HAS MORE VALUE B/C OF ITS ABILITY TO HAVE SAY TWO EXTRA WARRIORS ON THE BOARD UNCOVERING MORE LAND, AND THAT IS BEING CONSERVATIVE .......

[rah]

Whoa, glad I learned my math where I did. They would have fired me a long time ago using that type of logic.

IT"S RELATIVE.

But we'll let others discuss the merits since it seems we won't agree.

[War4ever]

a third city in x2 production allows you to build anything quicker.....its not relative b/c the costs of warriors/sets are the same but your double production makes it easier to build them...

how can it be relative....?

i am sure anything in x2 compounds far more than it does in x1

either way...both give the player an advantage early in the game.

but i still think compounding things in x2 gives a bigger advantage....

as for the post above..i think i am explaining it poorly

[rah]

Two cities kick out a warrior in 1x vs
three cities kick out a warrior in 1x 2 warriors/3 warriors. increase of 50% in warriors.

In 2x (in the same amount of time)
two cities kick out 2 warriors, for 4
and three cities kick out 2 warriors, for 6, or 4/6=2/3
an increase of 50%
That's relative.


The only difference is the initial cost of the settler, hence more valuable in 1x.

[War4ever]

or the other way to look at it , is you get more sets on the board even faster b/c of the third set in x2 meaning you populate the board quicker.

the build cost stays the same,, your speed is greater in x2 , therefore the third settler has more importance early in x2

[Ming]

Sorry... I agree with rah... at 1x, it takes longer to kick out a settler and make up for hut luck.

At 2x production, you can make it up quicker.

While it is all relative, it's still a matter of catching up... and that can be done quicker at 2x production than one time.

[Cobra]

Back to topic:
SmartFart and me started our game. Now we are 1100 AD and the end is open. SmartFart is a fair und very good player and it´s a lot of fun to play him. Even if i´ll loose.

[woke]

I've been beating up Makeo a little. 3-0 for the germans.

[SmartFart]

Makeo,my friend

You should contact me for some free lessons in deity x1x1 before embarassing Apolyton in such a hard way

Cobra...I sense this will end with Fighters,Cavalry and Artillery. I am really enjoying this game and am eager to continue our game ASAP.

Woke...care to continue our duel sometimes?

Jes...care to continue our duel?

Take care gentlemen. I really missed Civ in last 6 months of my absence. This is what I am calling having some fun.

SF

[War4ever]

well done guys...wish i had the time right now, way to busy...but when i get back from vacation we shall see what we can do

[jes]

hi smart! yea, id like to continue our game.
your game with cobra shows me, it wont be easy to beat you

[Makeo]

heh heh

[jes]

wow, i just see the result of woke . great, im glad we have a player like woke :R