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**atawa** · June 20, 2003, 11:54

Gardens, screws up my usual ICS strat.

**Ming** · June 21, 2003, 04:37

Manhattans... but at that point of the game... since the AI has so kindly railroaded all their cities, a few spies can make sure that nobody ever builds it

**Gatekeeper** · June 21, 2003, 13:50

Ming:

I wish I were so lucky. In my games, the AI *always* has the Manhattan Project being built in some distant part of its empire in a city not necessarily connected by rails, much less roads. Then again, I also have my spies subject to ZoC, which makes things even more difficult.

Gatekeeper

**Scouse Gits** · June 21, 2003, 21:37

Originally posted by obiwan18
I find in a OCC, harder to get astronomy and Copernicus' Observatory than to the collossus.

With six other Civs on different research paths Cope's can be the one that eludes you before trading has established a scientific domination. Marco's may allow access to acquire Mathematics (the civ with this tech - if it also has Mysticism - will usually be researching Astronomy) which is probably a wise swap. Astronomy is the "Joker" tech at this stage of the game so it will always be available for research.

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**Bob_Smurf42** · June 21, 2003, 21:45

I would hate it if the AI built the SoL or Leo's since they're a big part of my strategy. But they don't, usually. It's mostly my friend I play MP that does it. It sucks when they get GL, though...or Manhatten, 'cause then I have to sit through a bunch of 'City got nuke attacked'(or whetever it says there) While they bomb a city that's protected by SDI, but doesn't actually have it...You'd think they'd figure it out...

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**Ben Kenobi** · June 22, 2003, 04:00

That's why we call that trick the nuke trap.

Putting your SDI in a city size one or two, guarding a much larger city will draw Nukes like a fly to honey.

What a waste of production.

**rah** · June 23, 2003, 08:57

In SP, it doesn't matter what wonders the AI has. At best it delays the inevitable a few turns.

In MP, any wonder an opponent gets can be annoying.

**Heresson** · June 26, 2003, 08:13

Pyramids - less money on granaries, further growth - more money
Leo -less money on units - more money
Adam Smith - more money
Statue of Liberty - can have a goiverment giving me more money
Mike, Bach - happyness - can give higher tax rate
I try to have Woman Suffrage as well as several other wonders, but these are really necessary

**War4ever** · June 26, 2003, 23:50

well in MP anyone who gets gardens is annoying....watching the ferrets WTLCD blows goats...

easily made up for with extended oracle.....

i don't like when the ai gets Suns Tzus on me.....i find this irritating, it means slowing down to build even more barracks....

**rah** · June 27, 2003, 08:39

The AI geting Suns doesn't bother be, because once at war the AI has a tendency to build barracks and walls anyway so I'll assume most attacking units are vets.

**War4ever** · July 1, 2003, 03:54

but i quite enjoy having suns to myself...GW is just a nuicsance more than anything else

**rah** · July 1, 2003, 14:36

Thank god for metalurgy

, and the cannons that come along with it.

**War4ever** · July 1, 2003, 15:47

By the time that happens, its mop up for games med or smaller....

larger maps can be harded to win quickly.....

**rah** · July 1, 2003, 17:20

Yes distance=time.

**Ben Kenobi** · July 2, 2003, 19:00

Have you two played many Giga maps? Those are quite a different experience altogether.

Our latest sxn game required the Apollo Program just to find all the AI cities.

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