b!tching and moaning about grand strategy

[Xenozod]

If you didn't agree with this, you shouldn't have voted yes.

[yop73]

I just don't see the purpose of discussing "grand strategy" here. I already know our grand strategy: take as many German cities as possible.

You guys don't need to discuss the "grand strategy", cuz there isn't any. Every front commander just tries to capture as many German cities and kill as many units, that's the strategy.

When and how this happens, should be descided by the marchall and the Stavka.

But if you guys want to post threads such as:

Will we capture Berlin or not?

Or:

Will we head for the Ploesti oilfields or not?

That's just fine, but those are things we already know. Those things don't NEED to be discussed.

[The ANZAC]

It seems redundant to have the Politburo discuss military matters at the same time as STAVKA. Just seems like there will be too many cooks over the brew and it will all get spoiled. Just my 2 cents.

Also, I withdraw my support for my own amendments. I fyou still want to bring them up, sure, but I've had a change of heart

[conmcb25]

This is getting absurd!

H Tower are you going to answer my PM's?

I'd like to hear what you have to say, then I guess its time to regroup and figure out what we are going to do.

[yop73]

Steve, don't get me wrong:

I'm not saying that I don't want the "grand strategy" being discussed in the politburo, just because it's the politburo. I want it neither in the politburo, nor in the STAVKA thread.

I'm just saying that it's kinda rediculous to talk about "grand strategy" in the first place. Everybody knows what he needs to do.

It's just that some practical arrangements need to be made when coördinating an attack over several fronts, and that's the duty of the STAVKA.

But if this case is so symbolic to you that you really want to have it, you can discuss "grand strategy" in the politburo, for what I'm concerned.

[The ANZAC]

I think it is possible for both camps to plan strategy:

STAVKA will focus on military strategy- how to defeat the Hun on the field, where/when to strike, plan major offensives.

Politburo on the other hand works on logistics- getting newly produced units to the fronts, how to get them there more quickly, where to send them, how to increase productivity, plans for the citizens and reclamation of cities from front commanders once we really start pushing into Germany.

Sound workable? Ofcourse one needs the other and if we don't work together we cannot win.

[PinkyGen]

Good post Comrade Anzyakov, this is a team effort, and it reminds the Politburo members that we can affect the military strategy by choosing which fronts to spend money and build weapons for.

[Bossy20000]

Originally posted by PinkyGen
Good post Comrade Anzyakov, this is a team effort, and it reminds the Politburo members that we can affect the military strategy by choosing which fronts to spend money and build weapons for.

Well, this is exactly the reason why the Politburo has to discuss on matters of Grand Strategy. If we don't give the front commanders the units or the money to attack, many of them won't be able to do an attack. Therefor, Politburo should discuss where, what etc to attack, and then leave the tactical situation to STAVKA.

An example: if we say to take Ploesti in two turns and we give the units, we have decided on grand strategy. How the city is taken, is up to the Front commander. He decides which units will be used in the task force etc

I thought this was what we agreed on?

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Bossy20000
If we don't give the front commanders the units or the money to attack, many of them won't be able to do an attack.

Sounds like a threat there to me. Are the armaments and economic minister going to refuse to build units or rushbuy needed structures? You're getting it all wrong! The Politburo is there to provide the tools to defeat Germany, you should be out there asking what the commanders need, not telling them.

Therefor, Politburo should discuss where, what etc to attack, and then leave the tactical situation to STAVKA.

If you mean like, we should attack Finland in force, or we need to attack the Germans in the South or make a strike deep into Germany, we can do that. I'll accept that.

An example: if we say to take Ploesti in two turns and we give the units, we have decided on grand strategy. How the city is taken, is up to the Front commander. He decides which units will be used in the task force etc

Not only no, HELL NO. That's an operation you've planned there, straight with a timetable, and an unrealistic one to boot. Now if the politburo suggests a strategy like, "deny the use of the Romanian oilfields by the Germans, that's something else entirely, something I'll grudgingly accept. No freaking timetable though, and no direct orders to attack a city.

Originally posted by PinkyGen
Good post Comrade Anzyakov, this is a team effort, and it reminds the Politburo members that we can affect the military strategy by choosing which fronts to spend money and build weapons for.

The Marshal eagerly awaits to perform his one remaining job of pushing end of turn.

[conmcb25]

Sure would be nice if we could just start another Thread on this so I can make sure the discussion doesn't get down in the weeds like it has now. And for the record Michealovitch's plan was too down in the weeds.

But then that would be productive wouldn't it?

I say lets just keep pissing and moaning back and forth about it.

[Bossy20000]

Originally posted by H Tower

Sounds like a threat there to me. Are the armaments and economic minister going to refuse to build units or rushbuy needed structures? You're getting it all wrong! The Politburo is there to provide the tools to defeat Germany, you should be out there asking what the commanders need, not telling them.


If you mean like, we should attack Finland in force, or we need to attack the Germans in the South or make a strike deep into Germany, we can do that. I'll accept that.


Not only no, HELL NO. That's an operation you've planned there, straight with a timetable, and an unrealistic one to boot. Now if the politburo suggests a strategy like, "deny the use of the Romanian oilfields by the Germans, that's something else entirely, something I'll grudgingly accept. No freaking timetable though, and no direct orders to attack a city.


The Marshal eagerly awaits to perform his one remaining job of pushing end of turn.

1. I wasn't threatening, just saying you need the Politburo, and can't ignore it

2. The second thing you say is exactly what I meant

3. I was just giving an example, it wasn't meant to be done in the next two turns. Taking Ploesti is the same as denying the Germans the use of the Romanian oilfields, so I don't see what your problem is. Is it only because it was not vague? As for the timetable, I think we (the Politburo) can set timetables. This was an example (and not meant to be done the next two turns), but we (the Politburo) should be able to say to STAVKA to liberate the Baltic States in the next X months or other things alike. We (again the Politburo) should be able to decide how fast the military should free our people, take strategic cities, etc. This should be doen in concordance with STAVKA, but I think timetables aren't as bad as you make them look. You are doing the same when you are planning the liberation of Kiev.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Bossy20000
3. This should be doen in concordance with STAVKA, but I think timetables aren't as bad as you make them look. You are doing the same when you are planning the liberation of Kiev.

There is a difference, I presented the whole thing as my point of view, what we might do, never once did I present it as an order. THAT, is the difference.

[Ben Kenobi]

I say lets just keep pissing and moaning back and forth about it.

Appropriately titled thread.

HTower puts lots of effort into being the Marshall.

The Politburo is simply an organ for increasing postcounts.

I stay let these folks do their job and report back their successes. After all, lots more successes to report and celebrate.

[H Tower]

your quote isn't exactly fair, the rolling eyes contribute to his sentence and should have been left in.

Appropriately titled thread.

HTower puts lots of effort into being the Marshall.

The check's in the mail