The President - Nominations

[EmuGod]

Now that the government has basically been decided upon, only one slot remains to be filled. This is the special slot for President. The President can be anyone in the game (does not have to be a knesset member) that is nominated in this thread. The current coalition members will then vote for the President from the nominees. Keep in mind that the President is the most important citizen in Israel and becomes a member of knesset. Candidates should be people who have made lots of contributions to this game and should generally be good players and people. PinkyGen and would like to nominate Steve (conmcb25) for this position, so he's the first one on the list. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that the president's term last for 6 months (the equivalent of one knesset term) and he can be re-elected once more (that's a maximum of TWO terms).

Current Nominees:

conmcb25
Ben Kenobi

[PinkyGen]

This procedure will probably be changed to elect the President for next elections, but for now the coalition will chose.

[conmcb25]

Emu forgot to mention that if you already have another position you cant be the president.

I dont know if I can do this or not. The "Laws" called for this person to be a third moderator. After my thread and the zapping of it over the "incident" Im really not sure management wants me to be a mod............

And where did the two terms come from?

That is NOT in the "PinkyGen's Basic Laws" thread. If we want to change it fine but we need to have a vote to change Laws we all agreed upon.

[PinkyGen]

We didn't really say how the Prez was to be elected. I originally thought it was going to be a cabinet post, appointed like any other.

As I said, this is only for this session, and the process and term limits for future election cycles would need to be voted upon. And some stuff, such as being the 3rd moderator, will probably need to be dropped.

[Ben Kenobi]

I originally thought it was going to be a cabinet post, appointed like any other.

Shouldn't the selection be done by the members of the Knesset?

[EmuGod]

It is Ben Kenobi, but currently it appears that no one else wants to challenge Steve for the job so it looks like he might win by default.

[Ben Kenobi]

Members of the Knesset cannot be president?

[PinkyGen]

Member of the knesset can be President, citizens can be President. Anyone can be President, so long as they are not in the army.

The issue there is no method prescribed in the laws on how the President is to be slected.

[conmcb25]

There could be a vote of no confidence.............

I nominate Ben Kenobi, we should at least have competition in this one even if he is a dam liberal!


The method is sort of prescribed in the PinkyGen's basic laws thread. This needs to be definitized over the next 6 game months. A poll and then we can modify basic laws. For right now we need to get going. The peanut gallery is VERY RESTLESS!

[yaroslav]

Before electing a PM, I'd like to hear what they thing about the military. Being a military myself, I'd like to know what the priorities of each candidate are...

[conmcb25]

Right out of Pinky's basic laws poll:

"2. President: Either elected out of the Knesset or by possible vote, will be determined in Basic Laws II.

The President would be a third moderator for the forum, would substitute for any missing players and coordinate efforts between the various departments. The President could also "make laws" so to speak if different jobs apparently overlapped, though it is ultimately the PM's responsibility to adjugate disputes between Ministers "

So I guess thats an open issue and we need to do a poll, chose one way or the other and then its a done deal. We can discuss later, lets move on with Knesset elections this time, thats the most definitive statement in the laws right now.

[yaroslav]

I also favour the Knesset electing the Pressident... this time: next time, other method can be worked out. However, I'd like to have a consensus about it... The President is a honorary figure more than a imporant politican figure, so I guess that asking for 3/5 of the knesset to agree in the election could be fine... In fact, in true-life Israel, the Pressident is elected by the Knesset...

[conmcb25]

[One Israel Party Hack Hat On.]

I fully support giving the military everything they need to defend our country and strike out at the Arabs if it will destroy there will to fight! And fight they will once the Brits leave, make no mistake about it. I personnally think limiting the objectives for the military is a bunch of crap. And only being able to increase the objectives by an 80% vote is crappier still! But as a member of the coalition government, I will abide by the decisions neccessary to bind the coalition. I certainly do not like it however.

With that being said I will ALWAYS vote to expand the war beyond the primary and secondary objectives if the military feels it is necessary for the safety of our new state.

If you want half a$$ measures vote for someone else.........

[One Israel Party Hack Hat Off.]

[Ben Kenobi]

I accept the nomination, conmcb.


As defined in the basic rules, I ask you to support me as the president of this DG. As the leader of the opposition party, my ceremonial role would serve to counterbalance the power of the coalition. I would also be available to take spare turns, and to spur on deliquent generals.

Secondly, while conmcb has established his presence I'm not confident in his ability to moderate the forum. I'm very leery of his suggestions regarding the military policy, which ought to be left to the generals, and not to the politically elected president.

I offer to ensure the seperation of political interference from military affairs. Let each side do what they do best.

[PinkyGen]

1. For the election: I guess if everybody else forgets an aspect of my rules, I can be forgetful as well. Full knesset it is, at least for this round. Btw, selection of President is not holding the game up, we will proceed once El Awrence has his command structure in place.

2. For the pure political attack: Well, I'm the Prime Minister and doing this kind of job is probably beneath the dignity of the post, especially their others who are far more capable. However, there is homework for me to do, and as long as I can put that off, the happier I become.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

As defined in the basic rules, I ask you to support me as the president of this DG. As the leader of the opposition party, my ceremonial role would serve to counterbalance the power of the coalition.

This is what I'm afraid of.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I would also be available to take spare turns, and to spur on deliquent generals.

The peacenik spurring on the generals.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Secondly, while conmcb has established his presence I'm not confident in his ability to moderate the forum.

How so?
Anyways, to raise a serious point for a second, I'm not sure if we can actually make the President the moderator. Ming appears to have that power, and it has been demonstrated that his will overrides ours.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I'm very leery of his suggestions regarding the military policy, which ought to be left to the generals, and not to the politically elected president.
I offer to ensure the seperation of political interference from military affairs. Let each side do what they do best.

Oh, now that his party isn't in power, he wants to seperate the military powers. So if you are President, you would let the military do what it does best, kill Arabs?

This poor partisan hatchet job has been brought to you by the lettle Alef, and the number Shalosh.