MoW: Proposed attack plans 1834

[MrWhereItsAt]

But we have to incorporate them into the Imperium one day, and soon too. It may as well be when the SMC jusges we are ready to do so.

And will plans change now that (reportedly) Hannover will cost 9000+ gold to bribe?

[Ljube]

Just before I sent my report to our President, I calculated the cost of Hannover. I was shocked!!!

Either we bribe it regardless, in which case it can only be justified if we switch to communism using the newly acquired statue of liberty, or we don't bribe it at all and stay in fundamentalism forever.

Either way, the Russians are not a threat. We must focus on our true enemies.

[shade]

Why spare the Russians... they wanted war, so they get it .

Like all pests, just erradicate them when they are still small

Shade

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by ljcvetko
Just before I sent my report to our President, I calculated the cost of Hannover. I was shocked!!!

Either we bribe it regardless, in which case it can only be justified if we switch to communism using the newly acquired statue of liberty, or we don't bribe it at all and stay in fundamentalism forever.

Either way, the Russians are not a threat. We must focus on our true enemies.

See my comments re: Hannover in the science thread. If we really want to bribe it, we should make it as cheap as possible (by destroying happiness improvements and/or courthouse).

Given that we are only a couple of techs away from Communism, I don't see why we should spend that much for the Statue. It'd be different if this opportunity had come up, earlier in the game.

[atawa]

I think the statue will bring us great benifit, not only should we be able to get our techrate down to about 3 turns but once Germans fall out of fundi they can never return

[Ben Kenobi]

but once Germans fall out of fundi they can never return

Conquest of Hannover looks very appealing. They would either become a pansy democracy and suffer crippling support payments, or a Monarchy, and thus suffer massive bribery.

Either way, since they just lost Mike's Chapel, their cities would lack some happy improvements.



There are numerous ways to reduce the cost of bribery for Hannover, all of which I have tried since I am currently playing a massive scenario called underdark. I lack the volume of units to conquer my enemies, all boasting huge territories and large treasuries.

What we can do is to knock out all the city improvements in Hannover, including a courthouse. Then we can knock down the citywalls. Then we can either wait a turn for the city to go into disorder as our troops occupy all the squares with trade resources, or we can pummel the city garrison to shrink the size of the city so that we can afford the bribe.

Either way, we ought to be able to get Hannover and the Statue of Liberty forcing the Germans to drop into either Democracy or Monarchy.

[Ljube]

Yes, your plan would work in all circumstances, but here we have an alternative plan - bribing Hannover outright.

Germans are fundamentalists, so we won't be able to push them in disorder destroying city improvements. We would lose many buildings and diplomats to reduce the price of Hannover, even though we don't know weather they have a courthouse in or not (it is unusual for a fundi civ to build a single courthouse).

I suggest that we follow the plan I laid out in my report. We rush an alpine in Mpondo to accompany our diplomat there. They perform a scouting mission and the diplomat attempts the bribery of Hannover from the square 38, 72. If there is a courthouse there, Hannover will cost over 14000, so bribe proof. If the courthouse is not there we bribe Hannover for less than 9000.

That's my plan.

[atawa]

If Hannover is too expensive we can just send in a couple of dips, take down the city walls and destroy anything that reststs.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, I forgot they were Fundy and would not go into disorder.

I'm going to wait until tomorrow for sparrowhawk, and then I play.

[cavebear]

Looking forward to it...

[Sparrowhawk]

At long last the City Planner report has been sent to the President.

I apologize to all for the delay, and will explain (make excuses ) the two causes:
1) This job is much bigger then I thought, I spent several hours over the last three nights (and lunchhours compiling the report, and perhaps put too much into it, but I am happy with what I am sending).
2) I misread Ben Kenobi's earlier post, adn thought I had until late Thursday (tonight) to send it in. It wasn't until this morning that I found out that I was late already, and holding up the game.

If you require my resignation, I will do so (partially cause Ljvetko thinks this is the cushy job, and I thought foreign was and partially because I am usually the impatient one, not wanting to wait on reports, or slow ministers).

/me the humble City Planner

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, if ljcvetko wants to swap jobs, let him speak or hold his peace. You were elected as a minister, and I am pleased to see you fulfilling your duties.

[Ljube]

No swap is necessary, Mr. President. Unless specifically requested by you, in which case I would accept.

[duke o' york]

When I played at CFC, it became really obvious that in the later stages of the game, when the empire had loads of cities, that the City Planner job was just too difficult and time consuming. In order to make it easier, the empire was split up into provinces and each had a separate planner, all of whom would report to the Interior Minister, who drew up the plan from their information. This saved a lot of time and effort when there were lots of cities and I'd like to propose the Apolyton empire uses this system in future. Depending upon the way the provinces are designated, then it is possible for someone to hold a major cabinet position and take responsibility for up to twenty cities' defenses and build orders. This will mean that there is overlap, espcially with the Ministry of War (er, Defence), but these things can sort themselves out by PM.

[Ben Kenobi]

I would suggest a different division.

First we could have a 'planner' someone who constructs the build queues.

Then we could have a 'maximiser' who ensures cities are operating at maximum efficiency.

The Civ 2 Red Front DG uses this system, with a cityplanner and a NKVD man to watch for each city, as well as for idle engineers.