City planning( the not messed up poll)

[shade]

We have some serious problems on the Happiness front which cripple all our other planning. But there is good news, we are only 2 techs away before beeing a fundamentalistic Govt.

In the mean while we can only build temples(and hire elvises) to stop this(those will give us a lot of thits(sp?) when we convert to fundi wich also is a good thing.)

But there are some things I would like to poll about.

First: we have currently 8 Xin-cities (and only 140G)
Should we only Xin for research or only for cash or should our president get the freedom to Xin for what he deems necessary.
Knowing we will need quite some cash in the future(to rush temples in some cities(eg Gehinnom), or to make true citadels of some cities so they can withstand every attack(eg New Apocalyps,Sheol,Styx,...)) and ofcourse some troops for our Noble SMC.
(Hereby I also transfer all orders for Buffalo,Styx and Sheol to the SMC, since they will be important in our war-efforts against the North Americans.)

Second: Dominion is ready to be used as Size 5 Xin-city.
But I would suggest we wait with this untill it reaches Size 6.
Dominion is a city wich is constantly under attack by the Greek, therefor it has no infrastructure usefull for Xinning. This would take 28 turns, which is the exact time needed to finish it's Walls, build barracks(for faster recovery of our troops, upgrade from a chariot to a Knight/Crusader/Dragoon and then finish a marketplace or a library (of wich a marketplace might be our best first choice since the mined ivory can give us a lot of trade in between the Xin-turns.)
So the choice you have to make is between long term or immediate effect. Personnaly I favor the Long term view.

Shade
(you have 3 days)

[shade]

and our situation in Dominion

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, much more useful to put a library in a city before we Xin.

I suggest that we push for fundamentalism, and then make all our cash back from tithes.

[cavebear]

I think that, at this point, our prime goal should be Fundamentalism. I don't like that form of government, but we really have to do something to solve our unhappiness problems.

And about Dominion, why not move the Worker from the unimproved grass to the mine. It gets the city to good trade that way (I realize the growth stops). It could Xin with the best of them and changing to a Marketplace or Library might improve that greatly. The city has defenses against Greek units even without walls.

[MrWhereItsAt]

We should Xin for Fundy, but since we will need to rush things here and there it would still be best to have some money ready for upgrades/rushes. Thus it is Presidential discretion, but with a strong bias to science in the times we don't need the cash.

cavebear's change sounds good for the time being, and a city at size 5 can Xin pretty well... I am a little puzzled about your second poll though shade - long term plan vs short term you say. But what EXACTLY are these plans? I must just have a problem with thinking today, as I am sure you have listed them, but in a way that is not as blatantly obvious as this here idiot needs.

[atawa]

I support a fast drive for Fundi, compared to our current Mon our resourceproduction will rise considderably

Can't we get the knight that is currently stationed at Enron as 4'th unit to Domion? We dont need it in Enron and with a second attacker present we can change production from city walls to either a market or library.

[shade]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
We should Xin for Fundy, but since we will need to rush things here and there it would still be best to have some money ready for upgrades/rushes. Thus it is Presidential discretion, but with a strong bias to science in the times we don't need the cash.

cavebear's change sounds good for the time being, and a city at size 5 can Xin pretty well... I am a little puzzled about your second poll though shade - long term plan vs short term you say. But what EXACTLY are these plans? I must just have a problem with thinking today, as I am sure you have listed them, but in a way that is not as blatantly obvious as this here idiot needs.

long term: Dominion grows to size6 while building walls,barracks,knight/cruc/whatever available with m=2 and attack and then a market/library, then starts Xinning

short term: Dominion starts Xinning now, while having to wait some 30 turns before a Market/library is present.

Can't we get the knight that is currently stationed at Enron as 4'th unit to Domion? We dont need it in Enron and with a second attacker present we can change production from city walls to either a market or library.

we could(without happines problems) but I think that sould be a decision for our SMC.*silently pushes the topic away toward Cavebear*

Shade

[atawa]

You are right, I only mentioned this as I dont want to waste 80 shields on city walls if its not needed.

/me waiting for Cavebear's thoughts on this

[cavebear]

The Greeks have Chivalry and Mathematics, but not Monotheism or Gunpowder. So they have Knights and Catapaults, but not Crusaders or Musketeers. Dominion has a Pikemen, a vet Archer, and a vet Chariot (healing).

I think a Greek Knight or Catapault once in a while is not much of a threat to Dominion. My military opinion is that we do not need City Walls at Dominion at this time.

Whether production should be shifted to a Marketplace or Library, I leave to the City-Planner. Both would be useful.

[cavebear]

Concerning Enron: It seems very well-defended compared to some of our more exposed cities and can share some of that. I will be suggesting some unit moves in my report to the President.

[shade]

pls bare in mind to leave 3 units in those cities(or we will need 2 elvises) a 4th one can always be moved to a beter location.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Cities that are 'Xin Cities' don't need any elvises (or for that matter, any martial law units).

When the city is on a Xin turn, there is no unrest because all the citizens are specialists (no black or red faces possible).

When the city is on a non Xin turn, it can go into disorder safely (cities in disorder still harvest food, so food will go back into the food box allowing more Xinning the next turn).

The downside is that the city will not generate any shields or trade while in disorder. That said... we could make up for the loss of those shields/arrows by substituting: a) the coins from the sale of a Temple in XinCities (and the extra coin we save in upkeep, by selling it), and b) 1 or 2 units per XinCity would possibly be freed up to do more useful things...

[shade]

Especially for STYOM and all who are interested I did some counting.

Selling the temples in those 9 cities would give us:
9G profit/non-xinturn
+560G(60G/temple) 1 time

and we would lose every NONE-xinturn:
26Gold, 9 sciencebeakers and 49 shields(those are the shields we use for production)(or 196G in shields).

...Is this still profitable?

Personally I don't think so.

Shade

[cavebear]

Sell the Temples?

[atawa]

Apart from the reasons our City Planner mentions they will also start making us money soon as we are not far from Fundi