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  • #16
    Many people still have problems understanding how xinnnung really works , give them time and they will learn
    The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

    Hydey the no-limits man.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by obiwan18

      Since we are only a monarchy, any new Xin cities have to be located close to our capital, otherwise corruption drastically reduces their effectiveness.
      Corruption doesn't affect specialists.


      Secondly, we have so many cities, that we will need to garrison them just to have them grow to size three, and then to size five. I'm not convinced that your plan adequately accounts for the discontent.


      Yes, but since we already have so many cities, we might as well make them somewhat useful. Corruption will play a role here... but, my key point is that when a city hits size 3, we should put the workers on forest and off grass, so that it won't grow to size 4 and create more happiness problems.

      Granted, if we build more cities, it'll be hard to keep them happy.
      "I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"

      "Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
      "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)

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      • #18
        hard but not impossible
        The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

        Hydey the no-limits man.

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        • #19
          Not impossible at all, and I think we are trying to make this hard on ourselves, too easy would be boring.

          I think we need to use martial law primarily to keep happiness in the new cities, at least while they are building temples initially.

          It seems we all want to stay away from increasing luxuries above zero, and normally I would agree, but as our happiness problems continue, it becomes increasingly obvious that without Wonders or Caravans, Martial Law and Improvements alone are going to have a tough time maintaining order. Though I would like to delay it as long as possible, and keep it as low as possible, it seems we will have to increase the luxury rate some time soon. (regardless of the final outcome of this poll)

          Originally posted by Hydey
          Many people still have problems understanding how xinnnung really works , give them time and they will learn
          I think that the citizens of the Apolyton Imperium are quickly learning how this works. We are starving the population in order to increase science. If it wasn't such a noble goal ( Science ) then I would think we would be condemned and forced to answer for our actions, however, we are advancing the knowledge of our people and if some have to skip a few meals, so be it

          /me Science Minister
          Last edited by Sparrowhawk; July 25, 2003, 13:52.
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          • #20
            Corruption doesn't affect specialists.



            News to me. If this is true, than this is a big boon for outposts that can't produce anything worthwhile without specialist.

            I'd love to see a little more proof, since I have not seen this myself.
            Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by obiwan18
              Corruption doesn't affect specialists.



              News to me. If this is true, than this is a big boon for outposts that can't produce anything worthwhile without specialist.

              I'd love to see a little more proof, since I have not seen this myself.
              I can't give you proof, but I can assure you that it's true. In one of the early landing games I lost my capital and went through many centuries with severe corruption. I had to spend a great deal of time Xining about a dozen cities. (Although now I come to think of it, I may have rebuilt my capital before I started Xining.)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rjmatsleepers


                I can't give you proof, but I can assure you that it's true.
                we believe you
                The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

                Hydey the no-limits man.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by obiwan18


                  I'd love to see a little more proof, since I have not seen this myself.
                  Load any past save (assuming you still have them) of this demogame and look at the cities which are Xinning. 5 scientists + library= 22 beakers, regardless of how far the city is from the capital.

                  Put the workers back on the ground, and you'll see corruption/waste in varying degrees based on distance from the capital.
                  "I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"

                  "Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
                  "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)

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                  • #24
                    There you go
                    The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

                    Hydey the no-limits man.

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                    • #25
                      First I need the civ cd to view the saves...

                      You learn something new everyday.
                      Thanks for the tip STYOM.
                      Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                      "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
                      2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!

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                      • #26
                        Well the whole Xinning thing is new to me, and I suspect may be something that proves so succesful we may consider banning it for the next game, much as we denied ourselves Ironclads last game. It has yet to prove itself a game-breaker however.

                        What would be the problem with increasing luxuries off 0% ? It would support the cities that aren't Xinning and thus mostly have large corruption anyway, whereas it wouldn't affect the cities that ARE Xinning.
                        Consul.

                        Back to the ROOTS of addiction. My first missed poll!

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