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[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Finarfin


Not to mention that it's representative of a rebellious faction of the country that wanted to continue to own other human beings, and buy and sell them like chattel.

As opposed to the Yankee model of laissez faire exploitation of a de facto powerless working class?

Slavery was immoral (not that there was much to recommend for most of the other social conventions of the time), but rebellion is an incorrect term. We simply chose to withdraw as sovereign states from that association we voluntarily entered as sovereign states. Y'all chose to make an issue of it.

[Ben Kenobi]

As opposed to the Yankee model of laissez faire exploitation of a de facto powerless working class?

Nobody's forcing them to work, therefore they cannot be exploited.

They can always find work elsewhere.

[Dis]

trust me they were exploited.

The thing to remember is the businesses always have the upper hand.

People have to work or they starve to death. the businesses don't have that restriction. They can hire and fire whom they please without worrying about starving to death.

Therefore the employee is always at a disadvantage to the employer. just take a look at sweat shops and working conditions in other countries. There is a reason why there is no manufacturing in the U.S. anymore. They can't exploit us for profit like they can other countries.

The only thing that can bring the employee even close the the bargaining level of the employer is labour unions. Sure they are corrupt now days, but they still serve a purpose.

[Nikolai]

When did the discussion of Zylka's avatar=the discussion of the CSA?

[Adagio]

Just wait til it's your turn... when we talk about your avatar, we ends up talking about life in space

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by Nikolai
When did the discussion of Zylka's avatar=the discussion of the CSA?

When someone wanted to know if the Confederate Battle Jack could be banned as well. Being offended is all so subjective anyway that I personally find it ridiculous to ban anything. I hate having someone determine what I should be offended by and what I shouldn't.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by ADG
Just wait til it's your turn... when we talk about your avatar, we ends up talking about life in space

Am I so special? *proud*

[MichaeltheGreat]

So what do you think of the ESA missions to Mars?

[Falco]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


I am not sure about the UK, but in many countries, open displays of Nazism are illegal, and so are open assemblies of neo-Nazis. For the very least, that is a symbol of hate, racism, war, and repression.

In the UK the use of the swastica is not illegal however it is in extremely poor taste and flaunting one would also open one to charges of "Behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace" which is an offence.

In the UK we have an "Anti-Nazi League" which is full of well meaning folk as well as rabid left wingers who seem to forget that Communism as practiced by Stalin actually murdered more innocent people than the Nazi's ever did. It amazes me that it is fine for someone to use Stalin, who was a mass murderer among other things as a "Leader" figure for Russia and yet vox pop shuns the use of Adolph for the Germans (Or would that be Austrians?"

Either way, it was sensible to remove the offending symbol and probably not the best of ideas to have wanted it there in the first place.

Next time, send a gunboat!

[Ben Kenobi]

People have to work or they starve to death. the businesses don't have that restriction. They can hire and fire whom they please without worrying about starving to death.

Of course, there was no welfare then.

What about now? Can a worker still be exploited?

[mrmitchell]

In a nation without welfare or with a broken welfare system, yes. So the exploitation is not eliminated, just moved.

[Straybow]

exploitation, class warfare… what BS. Welfare is just an exploitation of misplaced guilt. For every person who honestly and temporarily needs it there are a half dozen milking the system.

[mrmitchell]

Unfortunately yes. A better system for screening would be liked but it's very difficult (nay, dare I say, impossible.)

[Dis]

also people have to work because of debt concerns. Most americans are in debt. While they won't necessarily starve to death (they can collect food stamps) they may lose their home or lose the place they are renting, and may ruin their credit.

While starving to death is impossible in the U.S., becoming homeless can still be a problem.

And yes starving to death is impossible in the U.S. It's funny the liberals still claim there are millions of starvin kids in the U.S. everytime the U.S. gets involved in some war like in Iraq that costs billions of dollars. The fact is kids in the U.S. are not starving to death. The biggest problem is they are eating too much food and junk food.

The only starvation we have in the U.S. is from Anorexics and bulemics. And they are intentionally doing that to themselves, that is not from lack of available food.

[Dis]

And what about the Chinese in space? I was reading an old Discover magazine, and they were talking about their space program. Weren't they supposed to have a manned space flight in 2003?

Has that happened?

they have been keeping such thing secret though, we have only found out about their flights into space after the launch when we detect them on radar. I suppose we will find out when it happens if they get someone in space.

so how is that for life in space?