PBEM anyone?

[TheRedmenace]

I didn't mean to make this a big debate or anything, so consider this my last 'contribution' to the discussion on blind vs directed.

1) Yes in the early game it makes little difference what your style is, but as the game progresses, directed makes a builder style much easier compared to the benefit it has on a momentum style.

2) Yes, sometimes you will still trade.

3) That's a matter of preference. I don't think it's either possible or desirable to totally eliminate random factors from the game. A lot of people are going to argue that if one guy gets straight to IA and the other people take longer, then that guy has an edge. I don't think that's necessarily the only way to play a builder. I don't think it's the best way either.

Some players have a tendency to want to optimize the game settings to suit their particular style, naturally. Ideally a builder would be on a medium to large island by themselves with no other factions nearby, directed research, no random events, etc. The reason I prefer the standard rules is because it forms a basis as to the advantages/disadvantages inherent to a given play-style.

Just my thoughts. As I said, I didn't mean to cause any controversy on the issue. I'm sure the CM will set the rules fairly and I intend to enjoy myself no matter what kind of settings I find myself with, and I hope everyone else does too.

~Red

[Minute Mirage]

Originally posted by TheRedmenace
1) Yes in the early game it makes little difference what your style is, but as the game progresses, directed makes a builder style much easier compared to the benefit it has on a momentum style.

The momentum players are going to get left behind as far as research is concerned if they cannot use their military might early on. I think this is true for both directed and non-directed research. I also think that the less research you have, the harder a wrong tech might affect you (it takes longer to research the right one).

Originally posted by TheRedmenace

3) That's a matter of preference. I don't think it's either possible or desirable to totally eliminate random factors from the game.

I agree. I think there is enough randomness in the game even without blind research.

Originally posted by TheRedmenace
Some players have a tendency to want to optimize the game settings to suit their particular style, naturally. Ideally a builder would be on a medium to large island by themselves with no other factions nearby, directed research, no random events, etc. The reason I prefer the standard rules is because it forms a basis as to the advantages/disadvantages inherent to a given play-style.

I usually make only two changes to the standard rules: I choose directed research and iron man. Otherwise I try not to optimize the settings for my play style. I guess I feel directed research is the standard rule, after Civ 1 and 2.

Originally posted by TheRedmenace

Just my thoughts. As I said, I didn't mean to cause any controversy on the issue. I'm sure the CM will set the rules fairly and I intend to enjoy myself no matter what kind of settings I find myself with, and I hope everyone else does too.

I'm of course willing to live with the rules we eventually decide on and I certainly hope to have fun with the game.

[FonnParr]

I'm up for a game if you are still accepting applicants.

I haven't played for about a year so I may be a bit rusty but I don't mind who I play, or what the rules are.

GMT+0 SMAC or SMAX

and will be playing at around 12:30pm on weekdays (or any other time if the boss isn't looking!)

J

[johndmuller]

SMAC or SMAX

It has been very hard to get onto Poly these days, so hopefully we can get enough windows of opportunity to finish this setup.

It would be nice to settle the question of whether it is going to be SMAC or SMAX.

In the starting post, USC specified SMAX, and at least one person bowed out after noticing that, although at least one other person is still involved despite only having SMAC. Needless to say, the choice of factions and a good number of other things is dependent on the answer to this.

I would suggest that you settle this and then we can either re-invite the one who left or stop wasting the other one's time.

Meanwhile, I have been working on a map starting with SMAX, but I think it will also work with SMAC, so that shouldn't be a problem. The map I am making is a "Large" size map with average everything. If this is unacceptable, I will need to know that ASAP, as I don't think I can resize the map without losing it altogether. If there is some worry that the builders will have an advantage because they or the warmongers are too isolated, I will undertake to address that in the details (like the extent to which certain landmasses are connected or not and the number of units or the geographic coverage of the AI factions). In other words, I'll try to give momentum players something to work with and the builders something to worry about. Nonetheless, I'll make a different size map if you want, just tell me soon.

[Comstr]

Average everything is fine by me.

No human player should have NO land bridge to someone else. If fact we should all probably be connected by some land at some point.

I am ver happy to have SMAX, but will play with SMAC only if needed.

[Minute Mirage]

Re: SMAC or SMAX

I was hoping this would be a SMAX game. If I've counted correctly, I think we already have six SMAX players. Perhaps those wishing to play SMAC might want to start a game of their own?


Anyway, the map sounds fine to me.

[Radi]

I agree with Minute Mirage. Blinded research kill bright minds, and cause that games randomise. Nobody can start any strategy bacause nobody knows what his scientists are going to discover. Remember, this is strategy game, not rolling a dice.

Radi

[Radi]

Again I would like to remind You, I dont have smax. This is why i prefer to play SMAC. If you definetely want to play smax, give mi a shout when i can get it.

[TheRedmenace]

Originally posted by Radi
I agree with Minute Mirage. Blinded research kill bright minds, and cause that games randomise. Nobody can start any strategy bacause nobody knows what his scientists are going to discover. Remember, this is strategy game, not rolling a dice.

Radi

Plans are still executable. It's a question of timing and flexibility.

[FonnParr]

UnityScoutChopper,

You called for the game, I think it's your decision - SMAC or SMAX?

Alternatively we can create two games here one SMAC one SMAX, there are at least 7 of us and I'm willing to play both at the same time.

we can use the same map, the same rules, just different factions.

J

[UnityScoutChopper]

SMAX.

Would rather compromise on blind rather than shrink the map. I like JohnDM's suggestion, but how about this: all players receive two free techs of their choice at the outset.

Happy to compromise on blind faction choice (the original proposal) - I personally will take a random faction, and anyone else is free to join me in this, but all those who have chosen a faction will get theirs, unless there are conflicts.

JDM, deep thanks for the CMN offer.

More answers later -- busy.

USC

[Blut0]

I will take a random faction, smax. Thank you very much.

[UnityScoutChopper]

Hi all,

After discarding (apologies, Radi!) the SMAC-only player, let me summarize the players' list so far:

USC (N0SPAMerik@sky.cz) - random faction - GMT +1 (Prague/Vienna time, I THINK it's GMT+1)

Minute Mirage (minutemirage@hotmail.com) - prefers University - GMT +2

Comstr (Comstar@optusnet.com.au) - random or PK - GMT +10

Blut0 (xxxblut02000@yahoo.com) - random - GMT -7

FonnParr (email not yet given) - random - GMT+0 - prefers playing at lunchtime on weekdays

Player order still pending, submissions will close entirely after JMD's next reply. Large, blind, average, house rules any fairly standard set of JMD's choice.

Instead of the rather silly anagram of my nick that I originally suggested as the game name, I propose "The Blind Leading the Blind" or "Blind Leaders" for short.

I will take it for granted that nobody here wants to be a stinkin' alien if they take a random faction. :-) And likewise I'll take it for granted that the AI can be alien.

USC

[TheRedmenace]

Errr, I posted my desire to play a while back. Am I steenky or something?


Red Menace

msernatinger@hotmail.com
Faction: whatever


Right?

Right.


So anyway, please add me to the list ASAP.

[jtsisyoda]

Originally posted by TheRedmenace
Errr, I posted my desire to play a while back. Am I steenky or something?

You guys have so many people... aren't you worried it will slow the game down? Maybe one of you would like to take me on in a head-to-head SMAX game instead? (Now you see my selfish motive.) Or you can have your 13-player game and play me H2H, too, how about that?