Covert Operations - General (2150 - 2174)

[Maniac]

Almost forgot. Ecostats.

MY 2165

Morgan:
minerals: 95 (+32 support=127) Decrease= -6+2=-4
credits: 222
labs: 30
production: 25 rows

Sparta:
minerals: 150 (+31 support=181) Increase= 3+1=4
credits: -2
labs: 33.6
production: 16 rows (+3 MM)


MY 2166

Morgan:
minerals: 92 (+36=128) Increase= -3+4=1
credits: 250
labs: 3
production: 19 rows

Sparta:
minerals: 143 (+36=179) Decrease= -7+5=-2
credits: -4
labs: 32.8
production: 26 rows (+6 MM)


With "production" I mean what's the worth in mineral rows of all the stuff we'll finish the year after. Eg for us that'll be extraordinary well: six crawlers, some aircraft etc... Advantage of this measurement is that it corrects for the SE Industry bonus, takes into account energy hurrying etc, instead of having to measure them seperately. Drawback is that there's a lots of variance in this value, making it harder to compare the size of our economies. For example in '64 we produced 5 rows, in '62 40...

with "MM" I mean Maniac Manoeuvre/Method, ie the cash in crawler, and retire unit design method. You have to count that seperately, else you'd be counting crawlers built for that purpose twice in your production value.


Oh yeah, as you can see, due to our war production,our support costs are taking up a bigger and bigger portion of our total mineral production which is hardly growing. (So let's popboom to solve that )

[Googlie]

well, it looks as though that IoD steered away from the DV - see pic below - we survived unscathed, so now can take a peek at GeoMatrix to see how good their probe defences are

[Modo44]

Wow, good news there. I thought that was almost impossible to happen.

[Maniac]

Ecostats MY 2168

MY 2168

Morgan:
minerals: 83 (+38=121) Increase= 0+0=0
credits: 246
labs: 3
production: 12 rows (but minus 12 rows crawler-hurrying)

Sparta:
minerals: 148 (+40=188) Increase= -3+1=-2
credits: -4
labs: 35.2
production: 26 rows (+6 MM)

[Maniac]

Through indirect infiltration info via Zakharov, it appears Lal already has DAP and is now researching "NONE"... IIRC he was still two years away from researching it last year, so I can only assume the Angels gave it to them after they acquired it themselves.

But what's worse: Zakharov also already has Doctine: Air Power!!
How's that possible?
Right now I can think of two ways:

1) Lal gave it him.
Does anyone know how likely this is? Lal's turn is after ours and before the Angels. Can AIs talk to each other while it's not their turn?
Even if they did, would Lal give DAP to Zak, having in mind Lal's not submissive to Zak?

2) The Angels gave or traded DAP to Zak. If that would be the case, it's very worrysome. It means the Angels would be ignoring our request not to trade with Zak without our supervision. Also that they could get Cyberethics from him next year too.

Therefore I'm wondering, should we send an urgent message to the Angels asking if they might know something more about this?

If it should turn out they in fact contacted Zak, should we ask Zak to declare war on the Angels to prevent further contact? (Is that possible while we're at peace with the Angels?)

[Googlie]

Infiltrated Lal (see 2189 turn thread)

Morgan has been busy, making sure that everyone has Doc Air:

[Modo44]

The Angels seem to be feeling too safe...


A general idea. We have the means to make a very fast secret project build. Do we also have the ability to insta-probe any of the real contenders? By that I mean the Hive, Morgan, and the Angels.

[Googlie]

OK - here's my sleuthwork:

Angels last turn lacked NLM. PolySoft, DocInit and DAP that we had.

This turn they lack only DocInit

I'm surmising that Morgan gave Doc Air to the Gaians, and Angels got it via their techshare - 3 other infiltrated factions being Hive, Gaians and, worrisome, either Morgan or ourselves

Angels traded it to Lal for NLM

Lal sent it on to Zak as a benevolent gesture

But I haven't seen any credits change hands last turn to this.

eg Hive: last turn reserves of 177, plus 30, netting this turn 188 - that's consistent with 19 being used to rush a unit

PK's - last year 328, plus 31, and this year 358 - that's consistent. And all his builds are just 1 turn nearer completion. His sole probe was in HQ last turn and now is in Commerce committee, the base closest to Iaci (we'll have to watch that one)

Uni had 63 last turn, plus 14, and has 77 this turn - consistent

Angels reserves grew from 77 to 130 (running DEM, Planned, wealth)

Gaian reserves grew from 112 to 115, running frontier/planned/wealth

But still strange goings-on

[Maniac]

Interesting info.


Here the MY 2169 ecostats btw.

Morgan:
minerals: 88 (+40=128) Increase= 5+2=+7
credits: 248
labs: 4
production: 22 rows

Sparta:
minerals: 132 (+62=194) Increase= -16+22=+6
credits: 11
labs: 53
production: 10 rows (+3 MM)

Our energy production rose, our mineral production decreased, as expected. On the plus side, sanctions will be lifted next year, and our population will grow from 54 to 59, so we should get a boost next year.

[wuy3]

Originally posted by Googlie
Infiltrated Lal (see 2189 turn thread)

Morgan has been busy, making sure that everyone has Doc Air:

there goes our air superiority

[Modo44]

Originally posted by wuy3
there goes our air superiority

We could keep it, and still be attacking Morgan if we wanted to. The problem is, this would cost us resources and hamper our growth, allowing the Angels to become really dangerous. So it was decided to slow down conquest to build and grow for a while.

[Googlie]

OK - the case for The Planetary Datalinks

Lal, the Angels and the gaiuans all have neural Grafting

If we instabuild the PDL, then we'll get it when we get our next tech (Planetary Economics, in 2 turns)

I'll follow maniac's suggestion re SC2 - (a fungal gin, upgraded crawler and 2 regular crawlers), so we'll open 2172 with the PDL, then get Plan Econ from our own reserach efforts, then get Neural grafting via the PDL, then cahs in that AA for yet another tech

That's the plan anyway

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Googlie
If we instabuild the PDL, then we'll get it when we get our next tech (Planetary Economics, in 2 turns)

I'll follow maniac's suggestion re SC2 - (a fungal gin, upgraded crawler and 2 regular crawlers), so we'll open 2172 with the PDL, then get Plan Econ from our own reserach efforts, then get Neural grafting via the PDL, then cahs in that AA for yet another tech

That's the plan anyway

Good plan.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Googlie
If we instabuild the PDL, then we'll get it when we get our next tech (Planetary Economics, in 2 turns)

Are you sure? AFAIK there's some confusion about the exact effect of the Planetary Datalinks and the Angels tech infiltration ability. Some say a tech is only acquired if three parties gain it AFTER the PDL is built (or for the Angels infiltration is achieved). Meaning we wouldn't get neural grafting as the PKS, the Angels and the Gaians already have it. Though of course if they traded it to the Corporation after we built the PDL, we'd get it after all.


Btw, Zak has apparently giving Cyberethics to Lal. So I assume it won't be long before the Angels trade it with the PKs. Fortunately IIRC the Angels for some reason only have some 70 credits right now, so it won't be for next turn.

Seeing the Angels might acquire Cyberethics soon anyway, and since (if the assumption hereabove about the PDL is true) it's not 100% sure we might get Neural Grafting immediately after building the PDL, how about we suggest the following deal to the Angels:

• We give them Cyberethics. (meaning the Angels don't have to give cash to the PKs to get it)
• They give us Neural Grafting.
• They allow us to build the Ascetic Virtues. (with their -1 Police SE it's not as useful for the Angels anyway)
• We promise to call the council to sign a global trade pact as soon as we research Planetary Economics (since the Angels are treatied or pacted with everyone on Chiron except Yang, they'd gain most from a global trade pact)

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Maniac

• We give them Cyberethics. (meaning the Angels don't have to give cash to the PKs to get it)
• They give us Neural Grafting.
• They allow us to build the Ascetic Virtues. (with their -1 Police SE it's not as useful for the Angels anyway)
• We promise to call the council to sign a global trade pact as soon as we research Planetary Economics (since the Angels are treatied or pacted with everyone on Chiron except Yang, they'd gain most from a global trade pact)

Since they would have it soon anyway, why do you think they will trade a tech and the "rights" to a secret project for it? Other than that, the idea seems good enough to me.