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  • Holy smokes! That would be a most interesting thing to execute. First off, the pact would make us all the more close, and it'd mean backstabbing Yang would be all the more easy. Add to that the fact that Yang would be mostly doing the work for us. However, there is the danger that the Gaians, being humans, could outwit Yang and gobbel up his empire at our expense. That would, well, suck. It would be a worthy maneuvre to make him weaker and then get him with his pants down in a two-front war.

    It is a possibility worth pondering over.

    I am afraid we will have to go vendetta on the Gaians to usher Yang after them. And that would have very far-fetching consequences.

    Edit: Googlie: The Gaian vendetta would almost be worth all that tech alone. Good god, if we managed to get that friendly with Yang... good god. Two words: Unholy Alliance.
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    • Okay, now just let that pod near SCC Invincible be a Gaian commlink pod...

      Edit: Just what is it about the Gaians that the Hive wants to declare war on them so badly? I'd estimate that this sort of thing happens in about 80% of my SP games, where Yang either unilaterally invades Deidre, or comes asking me for a joint attack. It's not like they have opposing ideaoligies or anything. Wierd.

      I have a question: were any of the AI's in the last ACDG as powerful as this game's Yang? And if so, did any of the teams try to ally with them?
      Last edited by Zeiter; August 4, 2004, 23:59.
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      • Originally posted by Zeiter
        Although I have a question: When you try to get an AI to do a joint attack on an enemy, do you have to be at war with that faction or not?

        And don't we have to get the Gaian commlink first before we can suggest a joint attack to Yang?
        No, we don't need to be at war already, and yes, we do need their commlink (asking him to declare war never came up as an option when I didn't have her commlink, but did after I edited it to give me it)

        But he needs to have land access to their bases (or needs doc flex)

        But this early in the game it's cheap!!
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        • Uh, I meant, of course we can agree to a joint vendetta with Yang without a contact with the poor victim. I'm not sure about whether we need to have contact with them to usher only him at them - I think that Yang wouldn't be too receptive if we suggested that only he take up the war effort - in fact, is that even possible? What I tried to say is, if we want Yang to attack them, we most likely will have to vendetta them too.

          Edit: is that 25 credits really for an isolated vendetta between him and the Gaians?
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          • Would it be possible for us to get Yang to declare war on the Gaians, but ourselves stay out of the war completely, with no vendetta against the Gaians, and then go to the Gaians and Pact with them, and then backstab Yang?
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            • Yeah - we pay, and don't even need ourselves to declare vendetta!! (But it wasn't in this iteration of the sim that he gave all the techs - that one was after we'd agreed to join him in vendetta)

              But............... we could get him to declare V, then offer a pact, get the techs, then call up the Gaians and say that we're being bribed by Yang to attack them, and how would they like to gift us some techs/units/ filthy lucre to help them stave off a Hive attack

              That would be truly despicable

              wouldn't it?

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              • Ha! And I thought Yang was ruthless. My Finnish evilness is being overshadowed by you - but I think it's more because you have much more information on the situation than I do. At least that's what'll help me sleep tonight.

                I'll say, that sort of maneuvre would be brilliant. First off, it'd latch the Gaians in a death struggle with Yang. Second, it'd mean Yang would be that much less likely to be bribed by someone else to attack us. Third, the spoils would be well worth it.

                Of course, it should not leak out under any circumstances. The results would be disasterous; the pact with Yang would be the only one we'll ever have.

                What sort of risks are there, aside the remote chance of our ploy being blown into the open?

                I think we need to get some more info on things though. If the Gaians and Angels are being all touchy-feely, that changes the scenario a bit.

                I'm all for that plan though - if we don't do it, I have a feeling that someone else will.
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                • Originally posted by Zeiter
                  I have a question: were any of the AI's in the last ACDG as powerful as this game's Yang? And if so, did any of the teams try to ally with them?
                  Well, they should have been.

                  I set it up, and had the Believers as submissivv to the Angels (we only had 2 AI factions). I started both off with 3 pre-built bases

                  I gave the Angels infiltration on everyone, so that they'd keep up tech-wise, and had intended to have the believers be their muscle, but I screwed up in the order in which I set the base governors (every subsequent base follows the governor's orders of the last base they were set at - I forgot that.

                  So I set the last base as explore, and blocked off most units, so all new bases produced a scout then endless colony pod.

                  By mid game The B's had 20 colony pods all milling around their landmass, with no place to establish new bases, and the stupid AI doesn't think to put CPs on trannies and send them across the world.

                  So they were easy prey for the CyCon

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                  • LOL - he's really eager to attack Morgan (here's what happens when I give myself Morgan's commlink, then call Yang up and ask him to be the bully boy:
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                    • So this is uncharted ACDG territory, having an AI that is strong enough to make a worthy pactmate. And yes, I'm almost sure that if we don't hatch this scheme soon, someone else will. Which leaves me wondering: will they suspect the trick we've pulled, as it might have been just what they were going to do? But they'll have no way to prove it, so it won't matter even if they do have some suspicions.

                      Edit: ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

                      Hey, I have an idea: Try running the simulator as Morgan or one of the others, and see how much it would cost to get him to attack the Spartans.
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                      • Damn, I am most intrigued by the prospect of using the strongest kid on the block as our henchman. It's nothing like the Spartan Way, but what the hey.
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                        • And yes, I'm almost sure that if we don't hatch this scheme soon, someone else will. Which leaves me wondering: will they suspect the trick we've pulled, as it might have been just what they were going to do? But they'll have no way to prove it, so it won't matter even if they do have some suspicions.
                          It's also possible it hasn't occurred to them, yet, and never will. The Hive is known for its aggressiveness, so I don't think the first thing the Gaians would ask when Yang comes knocking on their door would be "who told him to do THAT?". I'm placing my money on "My god, what are we going to do?" We'd just be happily profiting from it on the side. *sniff* We'd make old Nwabudike proud.
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                          • of course, when we finally do probe Yang - we can frame the Angels

                            (Unlike in SP games, the "framed" isn't given any notification that X faction has framed them - they just get the "You shall pay for your damned meddling" irate outburst from the probed party)

                            So we'll have Yang fighting everyone while we sit back and chuckle !!

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                            • So, who do we want Yang to go after? Gaians for 25 ECs? Morganites for free? If we told Yang to go after Morgan, we could approach the Morganites and say something like:

                              Edit:

                              "It's gonna cost you:
                              Ind base
                              Ind Econ
                              IA
                              Biogen
                              Any other techs Morgan has? Yang or the Data Angels might have traded him something by now.

                              I think we could stand much to gain from hatching this scheme against either of them, Morgan or the Gaians. Heehee, all of this plotting is making me giddy!

                              Edit: So wait, even if the framing isn't successful, nobody finds out about the framing?
                              Last edited by Zeiter; August 5, 2004, 01:27.
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                              • Thing is, if we go asking them for some "payment" to help them out, we will have to

                                1) actually help them out! We'll have to engage Yang too. He'll be caught in a two-front war, yes, but are we ready to face him quite yet? But we have time against us - someone else might beat us to the punch.

                                2) Not under any circumstances make the proposition right after the vendetta has begun. The reasons should be obvious, this needs to be a stealthy job.

                                I'd be inclined for this approach:

                                1. Make Yang declare vendetta on the Gaians and perhaps the Morganites too.
                                2. Contact the Angels, tell them that Yang is on a rampage that the two of us should join forces to shrug off the onslaught.

                                Between 1. and 2. we could form a pact with Yang - we'd quaintly explain to anyone interested that we did it to ensure that he won't be as trigger happy with us as with the others.
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