Diplomatic contact with Morgans

[Chaos Theory]

Neural Grafting is level 4, and Environmental Economics is level 5. Don't we have a Lord of Progress somewhere around here...?

[Chaos Theory]

Originally posted by Mead:
Spartans Have fielded Needlejet Equiped Air Force

The title says it all. We'll try to send you screenshots.

More info to follow.


Mead
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Chief Diplomatic Officer (CDO), Morgan Corporation, ACDG III

Originally posted by Mead:
Do we Stand Together or do we Fall?

Dear Data Angels and Gaians:

As we informed you earlier, we are troubled to inform you that the Spartans have now fielded an air force. We can provide screenshoots of a B-6 Hardened Spartan Needlejet in flight.

The Corporation has been presented with couple of choices. One, immediate capitualtion to the Spartans. We can either become the Spartan Pet, or allow the Spartan forces to enter and occupy our bases on by one. Or, two, death within 4 turns. Most, if not all of our members can join the victorious Spartan empire.

That can happen.

Instead of the above, we could continue to carry on the fight if we have the complete and total cooperation of the Gaians and DA. As I have been saying over the past few turns, perhaps, if we all enter into a three way Pact and coordinate our defensive and tech research we might be able to hold off the Spartan advance.

Without complete and total cooperation we might as well go over to the Spartans. The game won't turn out any differently, but at least it will end a little sooner and we'll have a little more fun (maybe they'll let us drive/fly a few of the planes).

Please let us know soon so we can make our decision.


PS
Even with all of us cooperating together it is questionable whether any of us will live, but at least we can try.
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Chief Diplomatic Officer (CDO), Morgan Corporation, ACDG III

I must say, I'm rather skeptical of their total panic, and their claims are dubious. The Spartans may very well have needlejets; in fact, I'd expect it. Now, how do they get those planes to the Morganites? Their starting continent isn't near enough, and they haven't conquered a Hive base as far as I can tell. If they can attack the Morganites, it must be from University territory. Even from there, needlejets can barely reach the continent. The Spartans can't actually conquer anything since it'll just be probed away.

[binTravkin]

As a result of the deal, we'd receive one tech of immediate important (EnvEco), and two techs of middling importance, one from the Morganites and one from normal research. The Morganites would receive one tech. We'd be in their debt, given the tech counts, though this may be inevitable.

Debt? I've never considered such deals as debt, unless someone states otherwise. So we should ask them for approval that they won't be inclining us to give back our debt.

Neural Grafting is level 4, and Environmental Economics is level 5. Don't we have a Lord of Progress somewhere around here...?

Im here!

[binTravkin]

I must say, I'm rather skeptical of their total panic, and their claims are dubious. The Spartans may very well have needlejets; in fact, I'd expect it. Now, how do they get those planes to the Morganites? Their starting continent isn't near enough, and they haven't conquered a Hive base as far as I can tell. If they can attack the Morganites, it must be from University territory. Even from there, needlejets can barely reach the continent. The Spartans can't actually conquer anything since it'll just be probed away.

I think you miss 1 case:

The Spartans have done atrocities, therefore they have no difference in doing even more. A 6x-1-10 NJ can easily kill a SP if the turnplayer haven't removed garrison from the base containing it (which I expect from Morganic turnplayers, giving they didn't kill road upon sighting Spartan transport).

The maximum range of a NJ is 19, not 9

[Net Warrior]

Originally posted by binTravkin
The maximum range of a NJ is 19, not 9

Yes but if it moves 19 then it crashes and burns before Morgan can take a screenshot.

[Net Warrior]

Please see Lordship of Progress thread for a discussion of the tech trade.

[Chaos Theory]

The point about a 6x-1-10 is valid. I'm not accustomed to players committing atrocities and didn't think of that. However, if the Morganites spotted a nerve gas needlejet, I would have expected them to mention that. Without nerve gas, the maximum range of 19 tiles is irrelevant, since the Spartans can't inflict significant damage with non-nerve gas kamikaze attacks.

[binTravkin]

The point about a 6x-1-10 is valid. I'm not accustomed to players committing atrocities and didn't think of that. However, if the Morganites spotted a nerve gas needlejet, I would have expected them to mention that. Without nerve gas, the maximum range of 19 tiles is irrelevant, since the Spartans can't inflict significant damage with non-nerve gas kamikaze attacks.

It takes only one turn and 50 ECs (IIRC) to upgrade to gas.

And it takes 2-3 planes to take out another Morgan SP..

[Ouro_827]

Yeah, like I said, I was just guessing. The DAs recently contacted me, with this PM.

I suppose your faction has received it as well, since the header was directed to both of us.

May I ask how the Gaian Council perceives this 'ultimatum'?

To me it sounds that the Morgans want us to choose between them as allies in a forced 3-way pact, or as adversaries on the side of the Spartans.

Regards,
IT GeoModder

[Chaos Theory]

Originally posted by Mead:
Re: Do we Stand Together or do we Fall?

Chaos Theory wrote on 15-03-2005 02:50:
Again, we are considering your claims, but find your proposed tech trade odd, since Neural Grafting doesn't make a particularly effective defense against needlejets. The two major ways to defend against or counter air are AAA and SAM. The former is available with AMA, which is not within easy reach. The latter is available with D:AP, for which you have both prereqs and we have one prereq.

Also, in addition to us being able to get DAP from the Hive, as you can see, we are researching NG now.

If we can research NG through your efforts then we'll swap to something else, we get DAP from the Hive then we can get a whole bunch of stuff through our efforts. And, if the DA wants to work with us we might be able to make this happen a lot sooner.


Mead


PS
I notice that you have an artifact. Do you need some cash to rush a Net Node to plug that artifact in?





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Chief Diplomatic Officer (CDO), Morgan Corporation, ACDG III

A small problem with their proposition: they're currently set to finish research in 18 years, well beyond the end of the world in 2167 they claim. D:AP from the Hive is valid, but independent from any trading.

[Chaos Theory]

Originally posted by Mead:
Leapfrogging


Choas

How does this sound for a plan?

We send you Env Eco and SotHB;
You switch to NG (no loss of lab points);
We send you enough cash so you can rush a net node in the base where your artifact is (or at least one move away);

If we can get DAP before you hook up the artifact to the node then we send it to you (unless your probes got it DAP first);
We send you all the techs we have before you cash in the artifact;
You cash in your artifact and send the tech you get to us;

We rush a net node in one of our bases, get the artifact back home and hook our artifact to it and send the tech to you;

If we have time and we do this right we should get 3 or four, mayby five techs real quick.

If the DA cooperate we might even get more.


Mead

PS
Without the DA's cooperation it might not be worth it for us.

PPS
Even with the DA's cooperation we may not survive.

If we only had 8 more turns. If, if, if, if.


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Chief Diplomatic Officer (CDO), Morgan Corporation, ACDG III

This sounds like an odd proposition.

[Ouro_827]

They have an artifact too?

[Net Warrior]

If Morgan can get D:AP from the Hive then why are they in panic mode?

[Ouro_827]

Probably because it isn't a sure thing, and the time it takes for them to get D: AP and produce interceptors is a fairly long time. They probably still are overreacting, or at least, publically are...

[Chaos Theory]

This talk of total cooperation reminds me of the Spartans' proposal to jointly rush to Fusion Power...