Diplomatic contact with Morgans

[Chaos Theory]

Originally posted by Mead:

Are you in Pact with the DA yet?

We are not yet in Pact with them. If you are not yet in Pact with the DA do you mind us telling them that we are in Pact with you.

Mead

PS
If they Pact with us they will, of course, realize that we are Pacted with you as well.

PPS
Since we are now Pacted please review what we have in the way of techs and offer proposals of how we can both can quickly reach DAP and choppers.

If you have other research suggestions we would be happy to discuss them with you.

[binTravkin]

I think DA should know it. We need to be trustable and open to them.

[binTravkin]

But with admitting that Spartans shouldn't get that info in any way.

[Chaos Theory]

Originally posted by Mead:
Intel Brief - Sparta - Preliminary

Chaos

I'll try to get you a full intel brief by the next time you play your turn. I'm seeing whether someone can build it with screenshots. I'm going to be very busy the next few weeks but I'll see what I can get done.


Destruction of Morgan Industries:

Two turns ago, my first as turnplayer, I discovered a Spartan commando cruiser off our coasts with four impact Elite Rovers on it. Escorting the transposrt was a 30% damaged commando missile cruiser (6)-2-6. Both had the MCC movement bonus.

I had a plasma laserboat in the fungus between our shores and the spartan ships. I lined the coastline with any unit I could find to deny a landing place. I plugged up roads to Morgan industry. I upgraded as many units as I could to plasma. I even brought a couple of formers into Morgan industries to serve as back up defenders. I would have brought more if I could. No more were in range to bolstor the defenses.

I knew with the MCC tech they also had amphibious, but I didn't think they would be able to upgrade all of them (via the design workshop).

What they did was blow the plasma boat out of the way and move the cruiser in. They upgraded all their impact rovers to gatling amphibious rovers (in the design workshop), and punched their way though our defenses. They took Morgan Industries (with the PTS) and got a boost in pop in all their bases to at least 3 pop. Then they obliterated the base and destroyed all the rovers that could not make it back to the transport.
They are Dangerous.
They are running Funde. With Funde, their 'Spartan' morale bonus, and the MCC almost every Spartan ship you see will be at least Commando. With +2 MCC movement points their cruisers can travel 8 spaces.

With Funde, the Command Nexus, their 'Spartan' morale bonus, and a monolith upgrade almost every Spartan land unit you see will be Elite. With Elite their rovers can travel three spaces, and multible attack.

They have substantial size and we don't know if we will last more than 4 more turns.

Let me know if there is addtional info you need.

Mead

After checking population records, the Spartans did not receive a sudden boost from the PTS that would indicate their bases grew to size 3. Thus, either capturing the PTS doesn't boost base sizes, or almost all of their bases were already size 3 or greater.

Since the Morganites can probably already construct our map based on the F4 screen, we might want to give them our world map and have them update it with everything they know.

[binTravkin]

Since the Morganites can probably already construct our map based on the F4 screen, we might want to give them our world map and have them update it with everything they know.

In exchange for their map of course.

[livid imp]

Originally posted by Mead
we don't know if we will last more than 4 more turns.

Eeek! I hope this is a gross misjudgement. Either that or this is shaping up to be a short ACDG.

[binTravkin]

Well, if it is so as he said, that he used multiple upgraded formers and other defense, it's quite clear that Spartans have no problem to defeat Morgan.

But I seriously doubt Mead is telling us truth.

Just take a look at this analysis:

4 elite rovers = 4 * 3 = 12 moves
1 move for obliterating a base

so 11 moves left

Let's assume Morgan Industries is 1 move away from the coast and that the first rover was used to:
1.clear base (1 move)
2.take base (1 move)
3.clear the road (1move)

so 3 rovers left.

1 rover used to:
1/3 move the free road square
1 to kill roadblock
1/3 move the next road square
1 to kill roadblock
1/3 to kill a unit having ZOC

so 2 rovers left

1 rover used to:
move to capital (1move)
kill defender(1move)
kill one former(1move)

last rover used to:
move to capital(1move)
take it (1/3 move)
obliterate base(1move)

total: 7-8 Morganic units lost.

I think we should make up a trap for Mead.

CT, could you please ask him how many units did Morgan lose (and compare it to losses listed at F7 screen)?

[binTravkin]

..as well as try to locate the Morgan Industries ruins.. (but no telling to Mead, he'll become suspicious).

[Chaos Theory]

Originally posted by Mead
Re: Intel Brief - Sparta - Preliminary

Chaos Theory wrote on 08-03-2005 13:07:
We are interested in estimating the scope of damage to units the Spartans can cause with a naval invasion. To this end, we would like to know how many units were killed in total by Spartan rovers

Let me see.

There were four Spartan Rovers.

Without reviewing the old saves I know they took out:

1 plasma rover;
1 crawler;
1 synth rover;
2 formers.

I think they also took out 1 or 2 probes that were on the road in their way plus another former whose ZOC interfered with their progress. The probes were not together and were not with any other unit (they each required an individual attack).

Plus, Morgan Industries was 3 squares away from the sea. There was a road between it and the sea. I should have tore the road up.

They cut through us like a hot knife through butter. Now, instead of gatling rovers they have missile rovers.


Mead




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Chief Diplomatic Officer (CDO), Morgan Corporation, ACDG III

[binTravkin]

plus another former whose ZOC interfered with their progress.

Exactly what I said!

Plus, Morgan Industries was 3 squares away from the sea.

The same again

I should have tore the road up.

What a mistake!

The catastrophe would never happen if there was no road..

The probes were not together and were not with any other unit (they each required an individual attack).

So

2 rovers
3 formers
1 crawler
2 probes

total: 8

I think we can believe this.

[Chaos Theory]

Originally posted by Mead:
Tech Trade?

Chaos

We would like to offer you Env Eco and SotHB in return for you changing your research priority to Neural Grafting for you to reseach it and send it to us once you get Neural Grafting.

Once you receive Env Eco and SotHB from us you should be able your reasearch goal to Neural Grafting. And having Env Eco, you should be able to resaerch a lot faster.


Mead


PS
We would also like to trade maps with you showing the extent of Sparta's sprawl. thye have the borehole cluster, Manifold Nexus, Unity Crash Wreckage, plus their own continent and most (except 3 cities) of Uni. Their homeland is North of you.

Do you need a copy of Sparta's map?
Do you have infiltration of Sparta?

PPS
Based upon what we have learned of Sparta's mass and capabilities I propose that Morgan, Gaia, and DA form a 3 way Pact for a period of time (let's set it for 15 years?). There should be a set period of time we can all agree to.

With the joint Pact we might be able to hold off Sparta.




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Chief Diplomatic Officer (CDO), Morgan Corporation, ACDG III

[Chaos Theory]

Well, what do people think about this? It puts us off the path to D:AP, which we'll probably need soon against Sparta, and arguably leaves us in the Morganites' debt (which isn't good). On the other hand, getting techs is good.

[Ouro_827]

How does it leave us in their debt? Besides tech trade for trade. Sounds good to me...

[Chaos Theory]

As a result of the deal, we'd receive one tech of immediate important (EnvEco), and two techs of middling importance, one from the Morganites and one from normal research. The Morganites would receive one tech. We'd be in their debt, given the tech counts, though this may be inevitable.

[Ouro_827]

SotHB is relatively low-level. EnvEco... well, yeah, that is fairly important. They recieve one for our two that they give us. However, if I remember right, Neural is a level 5, and EnvEco is 4. I think. So it kind of evens out. And they didn't mention anything about us being a tech in their debt, so maybe that's the way they saw it... never hurts to be optomistic