Diplomatic Contact with the Spartans

[binTravkin]

Uhh this is a hard one..
Could you give some opinion Illu.

I generally think that we're not going to disclose any data about how long it will take for Ecol Eng or IntInt, just say that "a few years", or something equally neutral..

[Chaos Theory]

It's cute that the Spartans claim to be a lightning rod. We know very well that we hold that spot (at least as of a couple of years ago), with regards to the Hive.

[Ouro_827]

Be aggressive. Point out that the Hive is concentrating on us, and give vague terms, maybe a pessimistic outlook on our research.

[Illuminatus]

I am sorry to inform you that Gaian Union has refused exchange of tactical information.

The feeling is mutual.

Although it is a logical step to pool resources against a common enemy, Gaian Union declines because of actions of Spartan Federation.

For years and years, Spartan Federation is deliberately violating our teritory rights, mapping Gaian coast with their foil. Spartan Federation has clearly and intentionally violated our teritorial sea hoping to obtain tactical data without being noticed.
This act has been identified as hostile and as such, Gaian Union will not share any tactical data with you. Additionally, Gaian Union requests navigation logs from the foil as a possible compensation for your transgression. They must not be attempted to be falsificated.

The Federation staunchly refuses to acknowledge any retroactive claims to sea territory. By default factional sea borders are limited to the coastline unless a coastal or sea base is in question. The green little lines on everyone's maps are considered to be this borderline.

Therefore any sea territory outside your coast has been considered, most likely by all factions so far, to be neutral territory. The Federation refuses to acknowledge transport through neutral waters as a hostile violation of territory.

We are happy to considering the acknowledgement of a territorial claim you are willing to make, the same way we have claimed sovereignity over our coastal waters (the Modo Doctrine) - however these claims can not, by common sense and logic, be in power retroactively.

What Spartans have failed to notice for past 20 years is that Gaian Union is not AI faction, and as such you can't hope to easily sweettalk Gaians. Use deeds and not words if you hope to successfuly negotiate.
Teritorial claims have nothing to do with this and please do not try to play that card again - mapping another faction's coastline in secret is a hostile act - it is common sense, permanent. Fact is that your foil mapped Gaian coast attempting to do it in secret (as you planned your route to avoid spotting and not informed us). This act can and is considered as a prelude to a future invasion. Gaians observed your actions and took great offense at it and waited until this moment to inform you of this, shocked by your level of arrogance to ask for tactical pact with us while secretly mapping Gaian coast.

Our investigation has shown that so called Morgan had nothing to do with assasination, in fact, Morgan never commited a hostile act against us, unlike Sparta.

As I stated, we have made no hostile act against you and will do our best to avoid doing so in the future, as well, since we harbour no hostile intent against you. Again, we'll be happy to oblige to reasonable sea territory claims you are willing to make.

Mapping Gaian coast in secret is a hostile act. High Council have requested unfalsified navigational logs from your navy regarding our coast. Does avoiding to answer it mean refusal?

Current suspects are Human Hive and Spartan Federation,

By the power of deduction, then, our mutual enemy, the Hiverian horde, is the culprit.

and since Human Hive foils do not cruise our coast, prime suspicion for the murder is Sparta.

Spartan exploratory vessels haven't had, haven't, nor will they ever have intelligence operatives onboard. The only possibility would be a shot shell going astray and hitting your venerable Lady, but our exploratory vessels have yet to fire a shot to this date (which may change with the Morganites commandeering one of them, though).

The only faction that had resources and oppurtunity is Sparta. However this does not prove your guilt, so you have nothing to be worried about. Be warned that you are prime suspect.

Please, do not make the Junta suspect the possibility that this is a trumped-up charge spinned out of nowhere to facilitate a souring of relations that is a part of some greater scheme against us.

Souring relations? Relations are not soured by words but by actions. There is no greater scheme against Sparta, but evidence for Junta scheme against Gaia are piling up. Luckly Gaians assume Junta knows that attacking Gaians instead of working with Gaian Union against Hive-Morgan is sheer madness.

Now, unless this new turn in attitudes in the Gaian Union has affected our earlier tech agreement, I would like to relay to you a few questions and statements from our experts wrt. the tech arrangement agreed upon earlier.

What new turn in attutudes do you speak of? Gaian attitude towards Sparta has not changed a single bit for past 15 years. Does Junta really believe that by remaining silent for years and then offering a deal will improve relations? Sparta has proven not to be considered friends of Gaian Union. However, Gaian Union does operate with profit in mind. Gaians will always accept a deal if it is good for them, regardless of relations with target faction. Gaian Union does not break agreed deals and you have nothing to worry about.

First off, since we are at war with the Hiverian horde, we desire IntInt ASAP because we need it to establish a safe defensive perimeter. This perimeter is required because we see our position as that of a 'lightning rod', which is attracting the wrath of the tempest that is engulfing Chiron this present moment.

When, then, will you have Intellectual Integrity at the current rate of research you are using? When are you going to research EcolEng yourselves (we need this information for our own logistical setup of the deal).

Your comment about Sparta being lightning rod for Hive laughed most of Gaians. Gaia is lightning rod, and sadly we would be happy to change that position.
Lab/energy output is changing every turn (each turn makes either emphasis on credits or labs), however it will be within 1-4 years. On the other hand, Gaian Union needs EE next turn, for the possibility that breakthough occurs next turn. You will receive II preaccepted as soon as research is finished.

Also, can we agree to a clause that allows a party to use a friendly probe action to extract an agreed-upon tech in case sun spots obstruct normal diplomatic channels?

Sadly, I need to inform you that no faction is allowed to probe Gaian Union in any case in any circumstances. Additionaly, do not move probe foils/cruisers near our coast as High Council is discussing law that would give a directive to destroy any trespassing probe team, regardless of its motives and origins.

Which brings in mind my final question - would you like to re-establish more formal diplomatic communications in the form of an embassy, or do you wish to stick to our current system?

Seems Junta has a short memory. There already was an embassy and Junta destroyed it.

[Illuminatus]

The above is proposal to their comm. It is a bit hostile, but I am annoyed by them feeling that they can make silly claims and expect us to believe us. Hopefully they'll understand that their actions so far prove that they lost credibility with us.

[livid imp]

Looks good to me, I am behind you on this.

[Ouro_827]

Sounds fine!

[binTravkin]

It's just right!

[Illuminatus]

I am sorry to inform you that Gaian Union has refused exchange of tactical information.

The feeling is mutual.

Although it is a logical step to pool resources against a common enemy, Gaian Union declines because of actions of Spartan Federation.

For years and years, Spartan Federation is deliberately violating our teritory rights, mapping Gaian coast with their foil. Spartan Federation has clearly and intentionally violated our teritorial sea hoping to obtain tactical data without being noticed.
This act has been identified as hostile and as such, Gaian Union will not share any tactical data with you. Additionally, Gaian Union requests navigation logs from the foil as a possible compensation for your transgression. They must not be attempted to be falsificated.

The Federation staunchly refuses to acknowledge any retroactive claims to sea territory. By default factional sea borders are limited to the coastline unless a coastal or sea base is in question. The green little lines on everyone's maps are considered to be this borderline.

Therefore any sea territory outside your coast has been considered, most likely by all factions so far, to be neutral territory. The Federation refuses to acknowledge transport through neutral waters as a hostile violation of territory.

We are happy to considering the acknowledgement of a territorial claim you are willing to make, the same way we have claimed sovereignity over our coastal waters (the Modo Doctrine) - however these claims can not, by common sense and logic, be in power retroactively.

What Spartans continue to fail to notice for past 20 years is that Gaian Union is not AI faction. Words mean nothing to Gaians. Use deeds and not words if you hope to successfuly negotiate or make a point.
Teritorial claims have nothing to do with this and please do not try to play that card again - mapping another faction's coastline in secret is a hostile act - it is common sense, permanent. Fact is that your foil mapped Gaian coast attempting to do it in secret. This act is considered as a definite prelude to a future invasion. Gaians observed your actions and took great offense at it and waited to see if you plan on informing them at all. They've been shocked by your level of arrogance to ask for tactical pact with them while secretly mapping Gaian coast. You can't justify your actions, as they speak for themselves.

Our investigation has shown that so called Morgan had nothing to do with assasination, in fact, Morgan never commited a hostile act against us, unlike Sparta.

As I stated, we have made no hostile act against you and will do our best to avoid doing so in the future, as well, since we harbour no hostile intent against you. Again, we'll be happy to oblige to reasonable sea territory claims you are willing to make.

Mapping Gaian coast in secret is a hostile act. High Council have requested unfalsified navigational logs from your navy regarding our coast as compensation for your acts. Does avoiding to answer it mean refusal?

Current suspects are Human Hive and Spartan Federation,

By the power of deduction, then, our mutual enemy, the Hiverian horde, is the culprit.

and since Human Hive foils do not cruise our coast, prime suspicion for the murder is Sparta.

Spartan exploratory vessels haven't had, haven't, nor will they ever have intelligence operatives onboard. The only possibility would be a shot shell going astray and hitting your venerable Lady, but our exploratory vessels have yet to fire a shot to this date (which may change with the Morganites commandeering one of them, though).

Please, do not make the Junta suspect the possibility that this is a trumped-up charge spinned out of nowhere to facilitate a souring of relations that is a part of some greater scheme against us.

Souring relations? Relations are not soured by words but by actions. However your side seems to think otherwise since you took opportunity to threaten again, as if Gaia-Sparta relations haven't been soured enough. There is no greater scheme against Sparta, but evidence for Junta scheme against Gaia are piling up sky high. Gaians hope Junta knows that attacking Gaians instead of working with Gaian Union against Hive-Morgan is sheer madness, despite overwhelming evidence that Junta thinks the other way.

Now, unless this new turn in attitudes in the Gaian Union has affected our earlier tech agreement, I would like to relay to you a few questions and statements from our experts wrt. the tech arrangement agreed upon earlier.

What new turn in attutudes do you speak of? Gaian attitude towards Sparta has not changed a single bit for past 15 years. Does Junta really believe that by remaining silent for years and then offering a deal will improve relations? Once again, Gaian Union is not AI faction. Sparta has proven not to be friends of Gaian Union or to be trusted.
However keep in mind, Gaian Union does operate with profit in mind. Gaians will always accept a deal if it is good for them, regardless of relations with target faction. As such your past offer has been accepted. Gaian Union does not break agreed deals unless the other side breaks it, so you have nothing to worry about. optionalAlthough future dealings are questionable since you keep proving your hostile intentions towards Gaia.

First off, since we are at war with the Hiverian horde, we desire IntInt ASAP because we need it to establish a safe defensive perimeter. This perimeter is required because we see our position as that of a 'lightning rod', which is attracting the wrath of the tempest that is engulfing Chiron this present moment.

When, then, will you have Intellectual Integrity at the current rate of research you are using? When are you going to research EcolEng yourselves (we need this information for our own logistical setup of the deal).

Your comment about Sparta being lightning rod for Hive laughed most of Gaians. Gaia is lightning rod, and sadly Gaians would be quite happy to change that position as production of an army forced redirection of resources from population expansion.
Lab/energy output is changing every turn (each turn makes either emphasis on credits or labs), however it will be within 1-4 years. On the other hand, Gaian Union needs EE next turn, for the possibility that breakthough occurs next turn. Replacement version: Since hostile acts commited by Sparta continue to amass, it is now forbidden to divulge any information to Sparta until Sparta shows it is ready to compensate for its previous acts. This is why GU requests EE the following turn from Sparta. To avoid divulging any data about tech rate to Sparta, Sparta will receieve II in five years, regardless of the time of completion.

Also, can we agree to a clause that allows a party to use a friendly probe action to extract an agreed-upon tech in case sun spots obstruct normal diplomatic channels?

Sadly, I need to inform you that no faction is allowed to probe Gaian Union in any case under any circumstances. This includes Spartan Federation. Additionaly, do not move probe foils/cruisers near our coast as High Council has passed a law that would give a directive to destroy any trespassing probe team, regardless of its motives and faction of origin. It is shoot first, ask questions later policy when it comes to probe teams and security.

Which brings in mind my final question - would you like to re-establish more formal diplomatic communications in the form of an embassy, or do you wish to stick to our current system?

Seems you have a short memory or you have forgotten something. There already was an embassy and Junta destroyed it.

[binTravkin]

Since hostile acts commited by Sparta continue to amass, it is now forbidden to divulge any information to Sparta until Sparta shows it is ready to compensate for its previous acts. This is why GU requests EE the following turn from Sparta. To avoid divulging any data about tech rate to Sparta, Sparta will receieve II in five years, regardless of the time of completion.

This one is pretty good!

[binTravkin]

optional: Although future dealings are questionable since you keep proving your hostile intentions towards Gaia.

I think it will be ok.

[binTravkin]

optional: So far your actions clearly show that your attack on Gaian Union has been part of your goals since you learned of our location.

This one is too hostile I think, It can start a ton of useless debate and interfactional accuses/insinuations..

[Illuminatus]

Fast BT ! I reworked a bit, adding few lines in italic. I really believe that if it wasn't for Morgans, Sparta would steamroll us in 15 years. If they refuse to give nav logs of their foil, I would be happy to see denying their deal retroactively, just so they don't get II yet and lose CDF which is in this DG setting very powerful project. If they get it, they will be impossible to defeat since they would just need to drop a garisson (which would have high moral) in a conquered base. Without army of needles, the base could not be retaken.
However, since they are likely to get it anyway (since Morgan is probably the only faction that can snatch it and we know nothing of Morgan plans) my observation is pointless anyway, as this way we at least have opportunity to get something. As I'll abandon decision making completely I would just remark that I would prefer seeing Morgan win than Sparta, due to their way of dealing with us.

[Illuminatus]

There is also option of making a much friendlier toned reply:

[binTravkin]

Ok, I see your point and will take it into consideration!