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**Voltaire** · January 5, 2004, 02:52

General Principles

Article 1 [Socialist State]
(1) The Human Hive is a socialist state under the people's democratic dictatorship led by the working class.
(2) The socialist system is the basic system of the Human Hive. Sabotage of the socialist system by any organization or individual is prohibited.

Article 2 [Sovereignty]
(1) All power in the Human Hive belongs to the people.
(2) The organs through which the people exercise state power are the Central Continuing Committee, and .
(3) The people administer state affairs and manage economic, cultural and social affairs through various channels and in various ways in accordance with the law.

Article 3 [Democratic Centralism]
(1) The state organs of the Human Hive apply the principle of democratic centralism.
(2) The Central Continuing Committee, are instituted through democratic election. They are responsible to the people and subject to their supervision.
(3) All administrative, judicial and procuratorial organs of the state are created by the Central Continuing Committee to which they are responsible and under whose supervision they operate.
(4) The division of functions and powers between the central and local state organs is guided by the principle of giving full play to the initiative and enthusiasm of the local authorities under the unified leadership of the central authorities.

Article 4 [Socialist Legal System, Rule of Law]
(1) The state upholds the uniformity and dignity of the socialist legal system.
(2) No law or administrative or local rules and regulations shall contravene the Constitution.
(3) All state organs, the armed forces, all political parties and public organizations, and all enterprises and undertakings must abide by the Constitution and the law. All acts in violation of the Constitution and the law must be looked into.
(4) No organization or individual may enjoy the privilege of being above the Constitution and the law.

**Voltaire** · January 5, 2004, 02:52

I suggest we maintain the present preamble, with modifications to include the new state organs once decided upon, for it embodies the spirit of socialism and the Human Hive.

**Jamski** · January 5, 2004, 11:54

I suggest we include these basic rights :

All Hive members have an equal right to open the turn save.
All Hive members have an equal right to state an opinion.
The votes of all Hive members have equal weight.
Noone may be forced to leave the Hive, except they break the rules of the game.
All Hive members have an equal right to be informed of all desisions.
All Hive members have an equal right to take part in all discussions.
All Hive members have the right to a private life, and in spending time away from the Hive, they do not forfit any of their rights.
All these rights are the same for all Hive citizens, and are not dependent on thier level of participation, past, future or present, but are extended to all Hive members freely. They are not a reward for good behavior.
No Hive government may take away these basic rights.

-Jam

**Vander** · January 5, 2004, 15:06

Jam, how can we prevent espionage? What if we find a spy?

**Enigma_Nova** · January 5, 2004, 19:19

Anyone call for a detached renegade?
Time to bring my unique perspective to the conversation, unbiased by the writings of any major political philosopher (principally because I don't read political philosophy).

I'm closer to libertarian / anarchist than most people are comfortable with, because I (personally) have a higher ability to lead myself than most, and a higher desire for other people to do the same.

In any circumstance, I'd be aiming for:

Liberty.
No Citizen shall be tied down by duty to the hive (with fear of reprimand); All work will be voluntary.
Respect is the only payment for hard work, and the only punishment is loss of respect.
(GO the honour system)

Creation.
All Hive members have the ability to formulate their own thoughts. This activity should be encouraged in the utmost.
The Thoughts of all Hive members, though not equally thought-out, informed or correct, should be expressed, and we should encourage and accept expression of belief.
Nor should we ignore or flame noobs, but rather help to upgrade the flawed into the higher-order players

Information.
May no piece of information be denied from any hive member to any other hive member (excepting a spy, who will promptly cease to be a Hive member). All opinion, argument and information flow shall be free.
This is to facilitate discussion within the Hive, so as to use every man's ability to process information and make decisions.

Decision-Making.
All hive members are equally entitled to their vote presuming they show a level of competency in their field.
All Hive members may state their opinion or keep it silent, but an opinion that is unexpressed (or without backing argument) should not be encouraged to win.

I am concerned about the way several people kiss up to any set rules and regulations, acting as if laws were absolute.
Know that I am firmly against this stance, I do not support such belief.

All 'laws' are merely common belief, that can be disagreed with and challenged. There is no absolute right way to act and as such there is no absolute wrong way to act.
People will work on a 'creation & judgement' system where they judge the situation and create an action. (Yes we already do this but it's a matter of mindset)

If we can rid ourselves of the need for absolutes, and pinning ourselves into boxes and frameworks, we're taking a step towards wisdom, autonomy, and ultimately a better lifestyle.

**Octavian X** · January 5, 2004, 20:42

My first suggestion for a new constitution would be mandated, regular elections for Chairman.

No offense against Comrade Voltaire, but our chief executive, to ensure that he truly answers to the people, must be elected in a democractic process. Voltaire's election occured so long ago, and was decided by so few people, I hardly think it can be claimed he was elected.

The idea of an elected Chairman leads me to a second proposal: that all members of the government under him, with the exeception of the People's Court, be appointed by him, as well as removed by him. The idea is that we can then keep the number of inactive government members down to a minimum.

**Vander** · January 6, 2004, 02:04

I like Oct's proposal.

**Jamski** · January 6, 2004, 09:24

Jam, how can we prevent espionage? What if we find a spy?

Then they break the rules of the game and MAY be expelled.

I like Oct's proposal.

I fricking LOVE it.

-Jam

**Enigma_Nova** · January 6, 2004, 11:39

Originally posted by Octavian X
My first suggestion for a new constitution would be mandated, regular elections for Chairman.

No offense against Comrade Voltaire, but our chief executive, to ensure that he truly answers to the people, must be elected in a democractic process. Voltaire's election occured so long ago, and was decided by so few people, I hardly think it can be claimed he was elected.

The idea of an elected Chairman leads me to a second proposal: that all members of the government under him, with the exeception of the People's Court, be appointed by him, as well as removed by him. The idea is that we can then keep the number of inactive government members down to a minimum.

Meh... those that have the competency to lead don't always have the competency to persuade. Take me for example.
Of course... we could probably elect someone who knows what they're on about.
Like Octavian, or FrankyChan or such.

I'll have to talk to Octavian X about all this, because I intend to have a say in how the new system is constructed.
Are we all in on this one?

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Is it at all possible that the candidates for the election be the ones that worked on the government? Are people required to voice their desire for a position, or can anyone be nominated?

**Snowflake** · January 6, 2004, 14:50

A chairman should be able to lead the team. And one prerequisit would be that he has to be able to commit himself. I would like to say that other than the short period before the Jamski coup, Chairman Voltaire had done an excellent job as a Chairman. I just would like to caution everybody when we are discussing this in such enthusiasm, that being a chairman means a great responsibility.

**Octavian X** · January 6, 2004, 19:36

Originally posted by Enigma_Nova Is it at all possible that the candidates for the election be the ones that worked on the government? Are people required to voice their desire for a position, or can anyone be nominated?

I'd assume these elections would procede in a manner similar to previous ones. A thread would be opened, requesting nominations for the position. Self-nomination would be allowed. Once the nomination was accepted by the nominee, that person would be on the upcoming ballot. Of course, since I am envisioning a government entirely appointed by the Chairman, there would be no prerequisite government service.

As HongHu has stated, the only true, if unstated, requirement would be the desire to lead the nation, and the desire to pour every ounce of your devotion in doing so. There is no way to place a legal requirement on this, so it's up to the people to decide.

**Jamski** · January 6, 2004, 20:49

I'd support that. Who would wish to run for Chairman, and how often should the elections be?

-Jam

**Enigma_Nova** · January 6, 2004, 22:15

I've never led anything before so I might as well give it a shot.
At least I can't be sued for negligence if I fail...
And if I win it will look good on my CV.

**Octavian X** · January 7, 2004, 02:57

Elections, I think, should occur monthly. A month is a nice, easy, definition for a term in office for these types of games.

Of course, some sort of recall prcocess could also be set up, just in case. The mechanics of such a process would need to be decided upon.

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