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If the CC trades for initative before we get ecological engineering then I wouldn't be opposed to it.
Basically, initative would cut down another possible tech trade between the university and the pirates. While we would have to worry about amphibous troops and faster transports, I feel the resulting increased tech costs will increase the likelyhood that the drones and the hive will be able to get to MMI first.
The lastest news I've heard on the hive game is ecological engineering in 2 turns. So the time frame that such a trade can occur in is rapidly decreasing.
Other techs we are interested are Secrets of the Human Brain and Neural Grafting. Explain the reason for wanting Neural Grafting is that the hive wishes to build significantly more formers and units with clean reactors. Also hint that the Hive is after more SPs (we're not really after the neural amplifer, but others would believe it the way we grabbed those other SPs).
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Before making any offers it would be a good idea to check what the pirates are researching and whether they have done any trading with the university. Also it would be a good idea to find out what the university is researching and whether they have done any trading with the university.
This is to check threat level in their research beelines.
Here are two suggestions as offers for the cycon.
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Get the cycon to trade initative to the university for ecological engineering or environmental economics (honghu you probably need to check the infiltration data). We will give them ecological engineering or environmental economics in return.
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Get the cycon to trade applied physics for secrets of the human brain. If the cycon agrees to research neural grafting for us, we agree to a research package. That involves prototypes and neural grafting for 2 restriction lifting techs.
* we'll immediately give either gene splicing or ecological engineering, in exchange they launch a cursier and an amphibous unit so we'll get the prototypes.
* When they start research neural grafting, and we have the prototype units, we'll give then another restriction lifting tech. In return they give us neural grafting when they obtain it.
Seperate from that research package.
* If they start researching bioengineering, we'll give them a third restriction lifting tech, and when they finish bioengineering they'll give that to us.
They may complain about being 1 or 2 restriction lifting techs behind us. However, you can point out with what we're doing they're owing us an important tech ahead of time for most of the time, then they may quiet down.
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Getting the cycon to research neural grafting for us is a two edged sword. However, I believe the benefits would outweigh the risks.
By them agreeing to this we bind the cycon in their research and tech trading significantly. This means there much less room for cooperating between the university or pirates. This reduction in diplomatic contact means that any future diplomacy between the other factions will take longer to develop. In additional, after obtaining neural grafting we'll be in the position to get MMI fast thus accelerating and improving the chances that either the drones or ourselves will be able to obtain the cloudbase and cyborg factory.
I have a suspicion that the cycon might be going for air power themselves and this could divert them from that goal.
Giving the university applied physics is bad in that it speeds up their research towards AIR power. However, I believe the pirates already have applied physics. The university might find a way to extract applied physics from the pirates. Again tech trading between factions increases the communication and trust between them.
On the downside, if we lose the cycon to the university or if there's the possibility they're only pretending to be our friends. Then the university may be able to get neural grafting from the cycon and be that much closer to MMI. This less useful for the university than us as it only jumps them 1 tech up as they already have secrets of the human brain. However, in the hive's case, getting neural grafting allows us to skip secrets of the human brain and social pysch, thus jumping us 3 techs up the tech tree.
Unfortunately I haven't done a personality analysis on all the new members that seem to be running the cycon now (I think impaler is democratic humanitarian as I was watching him for recruitment). Basically I was fairly certain that the old cycon members wouldn't betray the hive unless treated them badly. They lacked the deviousness to execute such a plan. I don't have enough knowledge about the new cycon to say what they might down.
Basically, initative would cut down another possible tech trade between the university and the pirates. While we would have to worry about amphibous troops and faster transports, I feel the resulting increased tech costs will increase the likelyhood that the drones and the hive will be able to get to MMI first.
The lastest news I've heard on the hive game is ecological engineering in 2 turns. So the time frame that such a trade can occur in is rapidly decreasing.
Other techs we are interested are Secrets of the Human Brain and Neural Grafting. Explain the reason for wanting Neural Grafting is that the hive wishes to build significantly more formers and units with clean reactors. Also hint that the Hive is after more SPs (we're not really after the neural amplifer, but others would believe it the way we grabbed those other SPs).
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Before making any offers it would be a good idea to check what the pirates are researching and whether they have done any trading with the university. Also it would be a good idea to find out what the university is researching and whether they have done any trading with the university.
This is to check threat level in their research beelines.
Here are two suggestions as offers for the cycon.
1.
Get the cycon to trade initative to the university for ecological engineering or environmental economics (honghu you probably need to check the infiltration data). We will give them ecological engineering or environmental economics in return.
2.
Get the cycon to trade applied physics for secrets of the human brain. If the cycon agrees to research neural grafting for us, we agree to a research package. That involves prototypes and neural grafting for 2 restriction lifting techs.
* we'll immediately give either gene splicing or ecological engineering, in exchange they launch a cursier and an amphibous unit so we'll get the prototypes.
* When they start research neural grafting, and we have the prototype units, we'll give then another restriction lifting tech. In return they give us neural grafting when they obtain it.
Seperate from that research package.
* If they start researching bioengineering, we'll give them a third restriction lifting tech, and when they finish bioengineering they'll give that to us.
They may complain about being 1 or 2 restriction lifting techs behind us. However, you can point out with what we're doing they're owing us an important tech ahead of time for most of the time, then they may quiet down.
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Getting the cycon to research neural grafting for us is a two edged sword. However, I believe the benefits would outweigh the risks.
By them agreeing to this we bind the cycon in their research and tech trading significantly. This means there much less room for cooperating between the university or pirates. This reduction in diplomatic contact means that any future diplomacy between the other factions will take longer to develop. In additional, after obtaining neural grafting we'll be in the position to get MMI fast thus accelerating and improving the chances that either the drones or ourselves will be able to obtain the cloudbase and cyborg factory.
I have a suspicion that the cycon might be going for air power themselves and this could divert them from that goal.
Giving the university applied physics is bad in that it speeds up their research towards AIR power. However, I believe the pirates already have applied physics. The university might find a way to extract applied physics from the pirates. Again tech trading between factions increases the communication and trust between them.
On the downside, if we lose the cycon to the university or if there's the possibility they're only pretending to be our friends. Then the university may be able to get neural grafting from the cycon and be that much closer to MMI. This less useful for the university than us as it only jumps them 1 tech up as they already have secrets of the human brain. However, in the hive's case, getting neural grafting allows us to skip secrets of the human brain and social pysch, thus jumping us 3 techs up the tech tree.
Unfortunately I haven't done a personality analysis on all the new members that seem to be running the cycon now (I think impaler is democratic humanitarian as I was watching him for recruitment). Basically I was fairly certain that the old cycon members wouldn't betray the hive unless treated them badly. They lacked the deviousness to execute such a plan. I don't have enough knowledge about the new cycon to say what they might down.
*grins*
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