Official: CyCon negotiations

[Snowflake]

Buster

Originally posted by Kody
*sigh*

I think too much sometimes.

I think you're right. There is nothing I can imagine the Uni could have up the sleeve that ought to make them confident and not fearing an attack.

You are after all way bigger - a faction suited for war and at about the same tech level. I think they are either just being stupid or made a mistake about borders or assumed that once they had crossed the border they were on the legal side of the deal.

I think the last is the most likely. That they get MMI is likewise not much of a problem - they won't at all be able to match our numbers - even with Drones (as of now size 31) going alone.

What will make it difficult is aerospace complexes everywhere. (Cloudbase acad or all out building aerospace complexes after getting DAP). We will take them anyway - but it will cost us an annoying 3-5 turns of extra preparations.

[Snowflake]

Me

I agree that we should take on the permanent relationship with CC issue later.

As for non-posting players, I believe that Hive probably has been infiltrated badly already. And this maybe why the uni doesn't hold any false hope to be the Hive's friend and the PEACE are loosely connected to the Hive. Currently in the Hive we are still talking sweet about CC so hopefully they are still not driving into the uni's arm yet. In fact I don't remember if anybody has relayed this information to you, that Jamski had made a deal with the CyCon, that they will vote for us for governor in exchange for uni and PEACE infiltration information.

Techwise since we are pacted one another, almost everybody can see where everybody else is regarding tech reseaching. So it will not be a secret to the uni when you are going to get air power and MMI and we can see what tech uni has also. Right now uni is researching Environmental Economics and not on track of getting DAP yet. Hopefully they will not be well prepared when we are ready to go to war.

[Snowflake]

My message at the CC Embassy:

Sorry that I have been swampt by the Hive internal matters and wasn't able to visit the Embassy for a while. Anyway here's a short update on what happened and is heppening within the Hive.

Following the early retirement of Comrade Kody and leave of absence of myself the Hive had entered a period of hibernation when nobody moved or talked. At the point of risk that we will miss a crucial turn Jamski planned a coup to overthrow the inactive Chairman. He also submited a badly done turn while not realizing that Comrade Kody had already finished the turn. You will read more information from the upcoming Pravda which will feature the Jamski trial and articles about people starving and war, etc.

The coup and failed turn senerio had caused great chaos inside the Hive. The Chairman had announced the dissolvement of the government and the start of a restructure. Many people go out to the street shouting and cheering. Comrades start to come back to the office and start to work for the party and people.

Currently the restructuring is not completed yet. The future Hive goverment is planned to consist four department:
Comrade dacole will lead the Department of Homeland Central Planning;
Comrade Octavian X will lead the Commission of Foreign Relations;
Marshal Rokossovky has come back to the Hive and will lead the Central Military Committee ;
We are still looking for a suitable candidate who could lead the Department of Science and Social Engineering.

Within the CFR, individual Ambassadors will be assiged to each faction. I have expressed my interest of continuing to work with my dearest CC friends.

Regarding previous CC message to the Hive, I will try to secure an official reply from the Hive government later. However I can personally assure you that the Hive will continue to honor all prior agreements with the CC including the agreement on governor election and infitration information. (We are not planning to call for an election in the upcoming couple turns although it may be called by the AIs). Also, I will try to push discussions about what type of prototyped units would Hive like to trade with you. We are close to getting Eco Eng ourselves even if we are not going to be able to finish trade with the university. Therefore I foresee some trades should be possible between us. Last, I would like to inqury when the CyCon decides to enter the pact with the Hive.

I may not be seen here very frequently since currently I am trying to fill in each and every empty space that are left by unworking officials and help with all the new departments. But I will try my best to check here daily so I could convey any message from the CyCons to the Hive.

Ambassador HongHu

[Snowflake]

Also the CC has been complaining about the shortage of landmarks. See here.

Kody told them in the CC embassy that he had stored some landmark names for the CC.

I foresaw this would happen so I stored some landmark names that I figured would go to the cycon when they would need them. Ask the hive to release them to you.

Hopefully someone from the hive can figured out where I've hidden them. It not very obvious at all.

[Snowflake]

Cycon Comunicay

Greatings Honored Hivarian Member, I bring a Comunicay from the Cybernetic Conciounus:

Cycon is interested in aquiring the F4 and F7 screens of PEACE. We are prepared to offer a sum of Energy Credits as we know you are currently uninterested in tecnologies. It should be know that this information like all information becomes inheriently less valuable the longer it is delayed in reaching us and it is vitavl to restart diplomatic relations and conduct the desired exchange whial it reamains mutualy benifitial.

Conserning PUT. They have asked us for Aplied Physics which they lack. We are hoping that we can get ecological Enginering from them in exchange, though this seems unlikly at best. We would much rather obtain Ecological Enginering from a trusted faction like the Hive then from a potentialy advasary, and we worry that PUT might start reaserching Military tecnologies once they have the Pre-Reqs. If you know what PUT is currently researching this could help us to perhaps mutualy exploit the situation somehow. Though we thank you for the offer PUT information is not currently required by our networks, though it might be desirble to aquire it at some later date. We were curious if the offer was tied into Votes or not and how you view the Vote issue.

Pacting as you know is not possible in the imediate future but we are hopefull it will be conducted as the earliest Possible convenience.

Copies of this Comunicay have been sent to HongHu, Octavian_X and Voltaire as we will try to do from now on to enshure high bandwith comunications are maintained. We ask that you triplicate your PM responses and direct copies to Manic, Drouge and Impaler[WrG].

[Snowflake]

I have confirmed the recipient of the message and here's a followup message.

Re: Cycon Comunicay

Thanks for your Rapid reply, I am not the Official Cycon Ambasador. I am currently the Internal Affairs Function and it wouldn't normaly be my job to send comunication. But our real External Affairs Function Drouge is inactive (I am noticing this is a consisted problem with our External Affairs functions) so this forces the rest of us to pick up the slack. Manic has authorized me to contact you and conduct what ever comunications I can acomplish as he is overworked and cant do them himself (spliting time between this game and the Police state game the way he is).

For the time being asume we dont have a dedicated ambasador and send comunications it the Cycon network in general which at present only has about 3 active (Manic, WIA and me) and 2 semi-active members (Drouge, Laurientus).

Our turn will probly get played this weekend, if your able to give a response soon we may be able to incorporate our response in this turn. I though will be working this weekend so dont expect much further from me, everyone else though should be more active on the weekend.

If we want the prototype we need to let them know before they play the turn this weekend.

[Voltaire]

Yes, we also need to decide as to how we are going to respond to the CyCon request to buy PEACE intelligence.

[Snowflake]

I think Jamski had an agreement with them but it was supposed to happen after the governor election?

BTW have we released any landmarks for the CC? If so I'd like to notify them.

[Snowflake]

I think it may be ok to trade the PEACE info with them for prototype? Also we are giving them the landmark for a gift.

If they could get eco eng from uni it might be good to arrange a trade for it from them before we get the tech ourselves so we could switch. We could offer them to give them the next tech perhaps.

[Snowflake]

I sent the following message to them while I'm waiting for everybody to weigh in this. If I don't hear from anybody I will go ahead to issue the official reply and don't blame me if there's something you don't agree in there.

I will also propose to replace the department heads who has not been carrying out his duty. I understand it is the weekend. Please also understand that I am under the pressure of filing on Monday and haven't been really sleeping but I am still trying my best to take care of the Hive affairs.

Please advice when you are planning the turn. I'm still trying to gather opinions in my faction. We might want to trade the info you needed with our prototype request, also I'm interested in getting eco eng from you if you will get it from uni with the promise after three turns we get env eco and give it to you. But I have not get enough feedback yet so I would appreciate if you could let me know what is the latest time you need my feedback. The second tech trade thing do not need to be decided right now but if you'd agree to trade prototype unit with infiltration info I'd hope you could start building it this turn (that is if you don't have one that's already available). BTW if you have msn my email is hhu003 at mchsi.com.

[Snowflake]

From Maniac

Greetings Ambassador HongHu and other Hiveans,

I would like to elaborate a bit on the communiqué Function Impaler has sent to the Hive Embassy recently. There he makes the proposal of giving a sum of energy credits in exchange for infiltrator information on PEACE, more precisely the F4 Production and Garrison screens, and the F7 Military Nexus screens. This is a change from our previous position to give our planetary council votes in exchange for full PEACE and PUT information. While years ago that information had a very high value for us as we feared for our defence after we broke the pact, now the situation has evolved and we have been forced to adapt our intelligence services to living without the Hive information we had long hoped for. As a consequence the value of PEACE and PUT infiltrator information has already seriously decreased and in the future its value will approach zero for us. Therefore the External Affairs Functionality no longer felt it even to trade votes against infiltrator information, and thus our new proposal to offer a moderate sum of energy credits in exchange for a small part of the PEACE information you have.

The story regarding technology trades is a bit similar. Because the Hivean Foreign Affairs Department kept silent, we have been forced to adapt and look elsewhere. We are currently negotiating with PUT regarding technologies such as EcoEng and Gene Splicing, technologies which you also have or will have IIRC. However we would of course prefer to trade with you. Therefore I was wondering if you could tell us a more exact date on when you could acquire EcoEng, so we know whether or not it is worth continuing negotiations with PUT on that matter? Please also know that if the Hive still does not want techs in return for techs but only units, that we will be unable to repay you in the near future.

Regarding the pact, we would love to pact with you, but cannot at the moment for security reasons. In the future a pact should be possible and likely though. :-)

[Snowflake]

my reply

Dear Function Maniac,

I can sense and I understand the CC's frustration regarding the Hive CC trading relationship. The sad truth is it looks like I am still the only one who works for the Hive. The restruction is kind of successful since some people has stepped up and claimed for the office and now they are even very actively recruiting "assistants". The problem is that other than claiming for office and recruting people who they can take charge of they have not been doing much other works (other than dacole I should say for he actually worked for the last turn). Whileas I have been working without sleep for my own RL filing (Monday) as well as for all the Hive affairs.

Anyway regarding infiltration information. That is a negligent fault on my part. I had assumed that the deal Jamski reached with you is that after the Hive became the governor then we would supply with you the info. But I now realize that you would need the info before that and it is actually very sensible. I don't know how I could have not seen it before. Please accept my apology for it. I will try to open the turn tonight and make sure I obtain all the info F4 and F7 info to be released to you once it gets approved by the Hive.

Regarding tech trade, the Hive can give you gene splicing the next turn we play it. This will be given to you without asking anything in return at the same time. We would however ask you to build a prototype with the cruiser base and the special ability to attack from sea. I am not very familiar with the game myself but you can consider my word to be official regarding trading with you since I have decided to take charge since nobody else is.

I'm still in hope of a more healthy relationship with the CC in the future. Therefore I would try my best to facilitate any possible trading opportunities and other coorperations between us. I hope we could discuss more later regarding further tech tradings.

We were scheduled to get eco eng the next turn but because of the stuff up by the turn players of the last two turns basically we have not gained much tech development so we are still 3 (or 2 not 100% sure sorry will check tonight if I have time) turns away. Uni is closer to getting env eco then us I believe so if you give them AP then they could perhaps reseach more advanced military tech if they desire. I am not fit to give any military related opinions so I guess it will be your call whether to trade them AP. I will however convey to you when and if somebody else who has more experience than me offers any viewpoint from the Hive.

Please point out any problems you see since this post is written in a hurry. I will copy this to function Impalor. I am really busy at the moment. My filing is on Monday and I still haven't quite finished all the work yet. But I will try my best to accomodate your request.

[Snowflake]

I really wish somebody would work a little to reduce my load.

[Voltaire]

The suggestion is that we tell the CyCon we will have EE in 2 turns, and that if they trade with us we will also include the PEACE intelligence information as a gift for their patience. After this has been done, I frankly think we should go all out and offer the CyCon a Pact, since well they are eager to improve relations with us.

Even if this results in PEACE breaking the Pact with us it will not matter much given that the CyCon would be more valuable allies. Furthermore, PEACE really has no real reason to break the pact, all we are doing is entering into stronger diplomatic ties with the CyCon, our Pact with them does not specify we cannot do as such. Therefore I think this the best course of action.

[Snowflake]

We have already offered CC a pact. It is they who do not want to pact with us because we are pacting with PEACE. So the situation you described - we pact with CC and PEACE does or does not break pact with us - is unlikely to happen in my opinion.